Uncle Sugar's gonna pull out!

He he. I kill me sometimes.

Gaslight or Dutch Oven?

Long live the judge.

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Originally posted by BRL:
These whiney fucks are pissing me off beyond belief. Though I do get a charge out of the liberal head pyrotechnics, I think I'm more pissed than I was before the election.

A good example is todays vote, or what was supposed to be a vote for what I think was supposed to be the AG, the libs did not show up. You fucking pussies. If you do not show up to vote, you should have to forfeit your vote. Assholes.

100% agree with ya... if we don't show up to vote, the results are still tallied.

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:

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Originally posted by BRL:
These whiney fucks are pissing me off beyond belief. Though I do get a charge out of the liberal head pyrotechnics, I think I'm more pissed than I was before the election.

A good example is todays vote, or what was supposed to be a vote for what I think was supposed to be the AG, the libs did not show up. You fucking pussies. If you do not show up to vote, you should have to forfeit your vote. Assholes.

100% agree with ya... if we don't show up to vote, the results are still tallied.

I'd agree except the rules state a minimum of one member of the minority party must be present for a vote. Think the Sargeant at Arms could drag one of these jackwads kicking and fighting to make a quorum?

Sally Yates who?!

Boom!!

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Originally posted by medic451:

LOL! Very funny.

so no one is talking about the former Director of ICE

got shit-canned and its been very quiet...

but that half-breed bastard started spewing off about how he disagrees with Trumps travel ban

took 11 days for him to slither out from the cesspool and start mouthing off

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Here's the solution: send them all to California, every single refugee and illegal alien. ALL of them at once. Have trump come out and say you can all come to California and stay, or be deported or blocked from coming here in the first place. Then cut off the federal funding for the state.

All aliens will be deported to California, dropped off in Bel Air and Hollywood by the bus, train, and plane full. Each stupid celebrity will have families of refugees delivered to their door to provide for.

Here they are fuckers, every last one.

Don't forget the cesspool known as San Francisco. Those assholes need to be taught a lesson, especially that POS mayor.

President Trump met with pharmaceutical executives on Tuesday. One question he posed was why aspirin, for instance, can be purchased for less by an individual than by the government or through private health insurance.

Here's another question: Why are drug prices much higher in the United States than in Canada? O.K. government control in Canada is one answer. But, there are so many artificial circumstances in the marketplace that prices swing wildly. There must be a significant savings available in that arena somewhere.

Today, I bought a generic drug from a Canadian pharmacy and the pills were .54 cents a piece. The pills are $5.00 a piece at my local pharmacy for the same generic. I know nothing about why it should cost so much more in the United States.

President Trump used an example of how the government pays more for a given drug under Medicare and Medicaid than even a consumer with no insurance. There seems to be some serious money lost in paying inflated prices.

There must a cost savings waiting to happen there. For years we have heard about eliminating waste, fraud and abuse but it seems that we should add eliminating government "incompetence" and "lobby inflation" to the list.

Not beholding to others, the President is seemingly positioned to fix "inside the beltway" abuse/incompetence for the benefit of us all. It hardly seems possible that competitive market forces are deciding drug prices at this point.

I'm all for a company recovering its R&D costs with a profit to fund more R&D but by the time things get to a generic, such benefits would have been enjoyed by the developer.

As another strange aspect of things, the name brand of my drug is cheaper than the generic. So, the developer benefit aspect does not seem to be driving the price in my example.

It is very expensive to develop, test, and get approved a new drug here in the USA. The customers in the US market get charged for all that, but other countries have managed to negotiate deals with the pharma companies to not have to pay their share. Also, regulations in Canada and other countries are not as strict about approvals as here in the US--they just wait until we've approved a drug (and have paid for all the development, testing, and admin) and then just buy the drug. It's not fair, but that's life.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
It is very expensive to develop, test, and get approved a new drug here in the USA. The customers in the US market get charged for all that, but other countries have managed to negotiate deals with the pharma companies to not have to pay their share. Also, regulations in Canada and other countries are not as strict about approvals as here in the US--they just wait until we've approved a drug (and have paid for all the development, testing, and admin) and then just buy the drug. It's not fair, but that's life.

flashguy

We've heard all that for years but why would the prices be so askew when the drug has made it to the generic market in the United States?

To me, once a generic makes it to market, the original developer would have already run out of its exclusivity rights. So, why the inflated prices compared to Canada?

That Canada can "negotiate deals" for the generic indicates that others could similarly negotiate - yes? So, why don't we?

We had a near-useless Congressman around here who had to bring Steny Hoyer home, holding his hand, to do some nonsense interviews with the local McClathchy rag.

He said he was so afraid to come home because there would be right wing Tea Party protests and all. So, he held some private events and slinked back to Washington with his fairy god father.

Shortly afterwards, he "retired" from Congress and went to work "influencing" for, I believe, pharmaceutical companies.

It makes one wonder about the artificial inflation of drug prices and how the swinging door from Congress to lobbying/influencing harms us all.

BTW, an interesting article on how the 2007 anti-lobbying ban is a total failure that actually increased former congress member lobbying/influencing is found HERE. The article notes that about half of former congress persons become paid influencers/lobbyists - and many of them right away.

BTW 2, when you write that "It's not fair, but that's life" it raises the question in my mind about whether we should attempt to make it fair and find out why it can't be. Are we being gouged and fed platitudes?

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Originally posted by flashguy:
It is very expensive to develop, test, and get approved a new drug here in the USA. The customers in the US market get charged for all that, but other countries have managed to negotiate deals with the pharma companies to not have to pay their share. Also, regulations in Canada and other countries are not as strict about approvals as here in the US--they just wait until we've approved a drug (and have paid for all the development, testing, and admin) and then just buy the drug. It's not fair, but that's life.

flashguy

You also have to factor the cost of law suits and large settlements.

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
It is very expensive to develop, test, and get approved a new drug here in the USA. The customers in the US market get charged for all that, but other countries have managed to negotiate deals with the pharma companies to not have to pay their share. Also, regulations in Canada and other countries are not as strict about approvals as here in the US--they just wait until we've approved a drug (and have paid for all the development, testing, and admin) and then just buy the drug. It's not fair, but that's life.

flashguy

You also have to factor the cost of law suits and large settlements.

If lawsuits and large settlements are a concern, would that have been shaken out in the pre-generic stage of sales? I know legal problems can develop many years later but pricing 10 times the cost for US sales?

It is interesting that President Trump is making this issue part of the early days of his administration. I remember all the carnival barking about how Obamacare was going to bend the cost curve. It didn't. But, President Trump's replacement could bend the cost of health care a component at a time. Yes?

Also, I understand that the US Military negotiates contracts for pharmaceuticals at reduced rates. I understand that Canada uses a similar apporoach but on a huge scale. Canada also has a board that sets maximum prices at which a given drug may be sold.

It will be interesting seeing what the Trump administration proposes to affect the wild prices.

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It's not fair, but that's life.

That is a fine attitude for a classic politician willing to let big pharma screw us.

It is not fine for anyone w common sense.

It is not fine for President Trump.

Let's move on, please. If you guys want to discuss pharmaceuticals, start a thread on the subject, please.

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Originally posted by bald1:


I'd agree except the rules state a minimum of one member of the minority party must be present for a vote. Think the Sargeant at Arms could drag one of these jackwads kicking and fighting to make a quorum?

Seriously?

Senators are the most important, powerful, egomaniacal, self-satisfied creatures on earth. They have no duties, no working hours, no attendance requirements, are free of liability, criminal or civil, for whatever they might say on the Senate floor. There are only 100 of them. No mere Sargent at Arms would dare lay a finger on these magnificent, powerful creatures.