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January 31, 2017, 12:38 PM
JALLEN
The Trump Presidency
Spicer is giving to those clowns big time on this vetting.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
January 31, 2017, 12:38 PM
DSgrouse
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
Senator Murphy (D) from Connecticut:

When asked what he would suggest about vetting of immigrants, said:

we should push “a discussion about a pathway in which there is absolutely no screening ” for immigrants

and once they got here, if we were worried about them, make sure they could not get assault weapons.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...reening-gun-control/

pretty scary people like this are U.S. senators

let's make sure 2018 is another really bad year for DEMs

Have you noticed in the pictures of immigrants to Europe they are almost all young men?


Fortune favors the foolish, how this mad made it out of child hood i will never know.
January 31, 2017, 12:42 PM
S600MBUSA
quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
Spicer is giving to those clowns big time on this vetting.


These briefings have become appointment TV for me.

He is a brawler, very sharp.


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January 31, 2017, 12:47 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by S600MBUSA:
quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
Spicer is giving to those clowns big time on this vetting.


These briefings have become appointment TV for me.

He is a brawler, very sharp.


Today is the first press briefing of his I've been able to watch live.

Yeah, he's quite astute and direct.


~Alan

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January 31, 2017, 12:52 PM
snoris
Press conference just ended.

Spicer has balls. Love watching the media whining and foot-stomping like four-year-olds.
January 31, 2017, 12:52 PM
Orguss
Seems to me reporters would make excellent police interrogators, since they won't stop asking the same question repeatedly. This is the third briefing in a row that Spicer's been grilled on the seven countries and the 109 detainees.



"I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes"
January 31, 2017, 12:56 PM
jcat
quote:
Originally posted by DSgrouse:
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
Senator Murphy (D) from Connecticut:

When asked what he would suggest about vetting of immigrants, said:

we should push “a discussion about a pathway in which there is absolutely no screening ” for immigrants

and once they got here, if we were worried about them, make sure they could not get assault weapons.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...reening-gun-control/

pretty scary people like this are U.S. senators

let's make sure 2018 is another really bad year for DEMs

Have you noticed in the pictures of immigrants to Europe they are almost all young men?


Fortune favors the foolish, how this mad made it out of child hood i will never know.


Your failing assumption is that he actually did make it out of childhood.


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January 31, 2017, 01:02 PM
fpuhan
This is from one of my favorite authors/bloggers, Christopher Chantrill:

IF we go back to the day before the presidential election of 2000 we can see that the two political parties in the US were both trying to stake out the center ground. Democrats were the New Democrats of the Clinton era. Republicans were the "compassionate conservatives" of George W. Bush.

Obviously, that era is over. Instead of Clinton's promise to end welfare as we know it, triangulating the Republicans on welfare, we have Donald Trump doing a Macchiavellian forced march to get his entire agenda done in the first weeks of power. And we have Democrats erupting over Trump's first immigration initiative.

Obviously President Trump's shock and awe rollout was carefully planned. Someone decided that Trump had to get his agenda going before the Democrats had time to get organized. Obviously the Democrats' immediate response to Trump's immigration pause was carefully planned. Reducing immigration destroys the Democrats' strategy to replace today's America with a new nation of immigrants that will vote Democrat for a generation or two.

Both sides in the political wars are deciding that they have to go for broke. You can see how that makes sense for both sides.

For Republicans the "compassionate conservatism" of the Bush years turned into a bust. A bipartisan No Child Left Behind education effort with Sen. Ted Kennedy failed because Republicans compromised on more spending but got stiffed on school choice. The Iraq invasion, a continuation of the bipartisan "regime change" policy, fell apart after Democrats got redirected by their anti-war faction.

For Democrats the whole New Democrat era was a massive frustration, because Democrats live for big new programs, universal health care, climate change, bending the arc of history towards justice for all the marginalized and oppressed of the world.

So when Democrats retook Congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008 they went for broke. They didn't say they were going to do that. They didn't have to. They just needed to let their activists go to work and let the media nod it through. And anyone that objected was a racist, sexist, homophobe, or a denier.

The only problem with the Democrats going for broke was that it immediately provoked push back. First there was the Tea Party in 2009. Then there was the flip of the House in 2010. Then there was the flip of the Senate in 2014. Now we have the most Republican national government since 1928. Obviously, someone out there in the hinterlands ain't happy.

Notice the difference between the two movements. The Democratic push to the left was driven by its activist core that is connected to its leaders in Washington by ties of patronage in the vast administrative state and the activist community.

But the Republican push to the right was a genuine populist rebellion that took the GOP establishment by surprise. It was telling that House Leader Nancy Pelosi spoke of the Tea Party as astroturf. Of course it was; all Democratic activist groups are astroturf, so Nance assumed that the same was true of right-wing activism. But it wasn't. It was earnest middle-class people doing their earnest civic thing.

The populist rebellion wanted leaders that would fight back against the Democratic administrative state and political correctness. But how? The whole GOP establishment was reared on the idea of go along to get along with the liberal power structure. As blogger Mencius Moldbug writes, the Democrats are the Inner Party; they get to rule when in power. The Republicans are the Outer Party; they get to govern when in office.

But where would the Republican populists get a leader they wanted: a man who would take the fight right down the Democrats' throat?

Amazing isn't it, that Donald Trump should turn out to be that man. Who woulda thunk it?

Obviously, nobody knows how this will turn out. Both parties have stopped circling each other; each is driving right at the other. It is going to end in a mighty car crash.

The only thing to hope for is that the crash doesn't end up as a real shooting civil war.




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January 31, 2017, 01:05 PM
sigmonkey
quote:
Originally posted by S600MBUSA:
quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
Spicer is giving to those clowns big time on this vetting.


These briefings have become appointment TV for me.

He is a brawler, very sharp.


Best Reality TV show, yet.




"the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב!
January 31, 2017, 01:42 PM
snoris
quote:
Originally posted by Orguss:
Seems to me reporters would make excellent police interrogators, since they won't stop asking the same question repeatedly. This is the third briefing in a row that Spicer's been grilled on the seven countries and the 109 detainees.


Shows how much you were paying attention---the reporter said over a THOUSAND detainees, and the media has all of their facts correct!!! (Sarcasm off)
January 31, 2017, 01:49 PM
Bigboreshooter
The Birmingham City Council today declared Birmingham a sanctuary city. Roll Eyes



When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21


"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush

January 31, 2017, 01:53 PM
parabellum
You can't fix stupid. Just let these imbeciles lose their federal funding.
January 31, 2017, 01:53 PM
sdy
very impressed w Spicer. keeps his head in a pretty chaotic environment. another excellent choice by Trump.

Tim Kaine (D) spouts off:

"We are so excited that the American public is energized to speak out against the abuses of this administration. ...

What we’ve got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there’s the momentum to be able to do this. And we’re not afraid of the popular outcry, we’re energized by it and that’s going to help us do our job and do it better."

***************

Democrats have become the party of the marching mob and rabid dog mentality. Listen to the hysterical speeches going on in the Senate.

At one time, not too many years ago (maybe decades), at least some REPs and DEMs tried to work together to find common ground. But today our younger citizens have never experienced such a political environment in our country.
January 31, 2017, 02:03 PM
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Just got this message from the White House site:

The White House


Tonight at 8pm EST, we will be going LIVE on Facebook for President Trump to introduce his nominee for Supreme Court Justice.

You won't want to miss it!

Like @POTUS on Facebook and be sure to share with friends and family.

https://www.facebook.com/POTUS/

Looks like I need a nap, I so tired of winning! Big Grin

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January 31, 2017, 02:39 PM
colomtn
President Trump is "gaslighting the media. Dammmmmmmmmmmmm

Big Grin




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdxuRCSBdeo


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My grandfather voted republican until the day he died, now he votes democrat.
January 31, 2017, 02:44 PM
AllenInAR
What is 'gaslighting'? Is this what they mean?

Gaslighting

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.


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January 31, 2017, 02:54 PM
tanner
The question is, who's been 'gas lighting' whom all these years (decades)?



January 31, 2017, 02:54 PM
justjoe
quote:
user104735

Let's work this through.

First, according to the world almanac there are 1.7 billion people who are Muslims while the total population for the countries that are temporarily barred is around 220 million not excluding small Christian populations so less than 15 percent are affected by the ban. This means President Trump still leaves 1.40 billion Muslims admissible to the US. Now let's ask the question of what we should know about an applicant to come to the US.

We should know if they have a criminal record or if they are potential security risks. How do we determine if a person may be wanted for murder or on a local terrorist watch list? The US does not maintain a database for convictions for other countries so our only option is to ask the country of the person seeking to come to the US. The countries listed on the ban appear to fall into two groups. The first group Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Syria are all involved in civil wars where the government is not functioning or in control of large parts of its territory. There is no database to check on the applicant. Compare this with Egypt, Turkey and Jordan with functioning governments and whose citizens are not barred. The second group of Iran and Sudan are countries that are overtly hostile to the US and are unlikely to cooperate in determining if a person is admissible to the US. Iraq is in between these two groups as Iraq has a Kurdish, Sunni and Shia dominated areas and some parts of the country are under strong Iranian influence.

In your long standing hostility to Trump you immediately jump to the worst possible motive rather than looking to the facts such as the actual percentage of Muslims involved nor do you examine the countries affected with those not affected.


^^^ Doing the work that journalists are supposed to do.


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January 31, 2017, 02:59 PM
olfuzzy
quote:
Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
The Birmingham City Council today declared Birmingham a sanctuary city. Roll Eyes


Memphis just did the same thing but didn't use the word sanctuary. I believe they called themselves a welcoming city.
January 31, 2017, 03:08 PM
konata88
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
Senator Murphy (D) from Connecticut:

When asked what he would suggest about vetting of immigrants, said:

we should push “a discussion about a pathway in which there is absolutely no screening ” for immigrants

and once they got here, if we were worried about them, make sure they could not get assault weapons.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...reening-gun-control/

pretty scary people like this are U.S. senators

let's make sure 2018 is another really bad year for DEMs

Have you noticed in the pictures of immigrants to Europe they are almost all young men?


What it the benefit of the goal for no screening? Is that a benefit to the US? For immigrants? In what first world nation (especially one without problems with refugees and terrorism) is there precedence for this? Who the fuck amongst American citizens supports this goal?

I get that there are immigrants looking for a better life. For freedom. All of this has a cost including do it fucking legally and submit yourself for screening.




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book