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http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ition-documents.html The House Oversight Committee said Sunday that it will not fulfill a request this weekend by a lawyer for the Trump presidential transition team to look into whether Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office inappropriately obtained transition documents as part of its Russia probe, saying the matter should be decided by the courts. A committee spokeswoman told Fox News that the key issues raised in the request -- and included in a letter received from attorney Kory Langhofer -- should be “decided by the court . . . not Congress.” “The central issues raised are fact-specific legal issues which involve issues of privilege, waiver … standing to assert claims of privacy, expectations of privacy and the reasonableness thereof, third-party consent … among other issues,” the spokeswoman said. Langhofer asked Congress to “act immediately to protect future presidential transitions from having their private records misappropriated by government agencies, particularly in the context of sensitive investigations intersecting with political motives.” Despite declining the request, the House committee acknowledged the request “raises issues on how to improve subsequent transitions and therefore “takes the letter under advisement." The request also was made to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which has yet to respond to a request for comment. | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/s...ote-on-gop-tax-bill/ Republican Sen. John McCain is returning to Arizona after spending several days in a Maryland hospital recovering from side effects from chemotherapy treatment for brain cancer, CBS News has learned. McCain left Washington Sunday and is heading back to his home state to spend the holidays with his family. He will not be on hand for the final vote on the GOP tax passage expected for early this week. It is unclear when McCain might return to Washington. Despite a razor-thin margin needed to pass the measure, McCain's presence will not likely be the determining factor in the vote. Two critical senators -- Bob Corker of Tennessee and Marco Rubio of Florida -- announced their support for the bill last week after initially saying they would oppose earlier versions. GOP leaders aim to hold floor votes this week, with the House expected to take up the measure first on Tuesday. President Trump: "John will come back if we need his vote. He's going through a very tough time," | |||
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| Free radical scavenger  |
Because Hillary used a private email server to transmit classified information. The Trump transition team was communicating with ptt.gov email addresses. This is explained in more detail in the ZeroHedge article which I posted earlier : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...mp-transition-emails The article that I posted earlier from The Washington Post explains the ongoing informal legal arguments defending Mueller’s acquisition of all emails of the transition team. (GOTO https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...200077434#9200077434 ) (programming joke  )I’m not an attorney, but I would not be surprised if this legal argument is settled by SCOTUS. This is an important matter since it affects all future Presidential administrations. As for the 30K+ missing Hillary emails, Hillary's private email server had been hacked. I'm sure that either one or all of North Korea, China, and maybe Russia have the emails that Hillary deleted from her server. Iran maybe even have a copy of the emails that Hillary deleted from her email server since I heard a “rumor” from a software forensic analyst that Iran outsourced its hacking from Russia. Russia my no longer be assisting Iran in hacking since President Trump took office. | |||
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wouldn't the NSA have a copy of ALL of the emails on their servers in Utah? After all, isn't the TIA program all-inclusive? [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Ah, now the Wall Street Journal is finally, reluctantly covering The Case of the Nabbed Transition Team Emails. Excerpts follow ... WASHINGTON—A lawyer for the Trump transition team said Robert Mueller’s investigators improperly reviewed some emails from transition officials, an allegation that comes amid charges of bias by the special counsel’s probe. The lawyer told Congress in a letter dated Saturday that the government agency that held emails from the transition team had “unlawfully” provided communications to the special counsel’s office. Those communications included ones that were protected by attorney-client and other privileges, the attorney, Kory Langhofer, wrote. In a statement, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office, Peter Carr, said: “When we have obtained emails in the cou rse of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.” ... In the Saturday letter, Mr. Langhofer said that a lawyer with the General Services Administration, a federal agency that helped set up the transition office, acknowledged in June that the Trump transition organization owned and controlled the emails, and that “GSA had no right to access or control the records.” Mr. Langhofer said the Trump transition office was a “private organization,” and its records should be considered “private records.” According to the letter, the GSA instead produced to the FBI in August copies of the emails, laptops, and other materials associated with the transition, without notifying the transition group or removing privileged materials. A representative for GSA didn’t respond Sunday to requests for comment. Mr. Langhofer’s claims provoked legal debate throughout the weekend. Officials from former President Barack Obama’s transition team said in Twitter messages that there was “no expectation of privacy” in transition emails, given their .gov email address. But in defense of the transition team’s claim, Mr. Langhofer’s letter cited a Justice Department document from 1988 that found that presidential transition teams “are not federal agencies” subject to the federal Freedom of Information Act as well as a 1983 case that found transition documents were “personal records” rather than “agency records.” Complete article from WSJ | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
Sure the NSA has them. They would also be in the NSA's "backup center" in San Antonio. As we have learned, you just need to deceive a FISA court to get what is wanted from the NSA's treasure trove of digital data. | |||
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| Political Cynic |
and they would also have copies of any and all text messages as well as any and all records of telephone calls for all of the phones [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
That has nothing to do with it, as least in so far as material in possession of the stste department goes. Who is to say the transition material had no confidential material? I’m astonished by the logistics, anyway. What is the issue that gets it to the Supremes? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
I don't understand what you are referring to in "That has nothing to do with it". If you are referring to the Hillary email scandal, no that has nothing to do with Mueller acquiring all of the transition team's emails. I was just answering a question which you asked about the 30,000+ emails that Hillary deleted.
Even before I read sdy's post which begins "The House Oversight Committee said Sunday that it will not fulfill a request this weekend by a lawyer for the Trump presidential transition team to look into whether Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office inappropriately obtained transition documents as part of its Russia probe, saying the matter should be decided by the courts.", it just seemed intuitive to me that the courts would have decide the matter of ownership of Presidential transition team documents. And it just seems inevitable that this matter goes to SCOTUS since | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
That changed a bit with the USA Freedom Act, a purported reform of the Patriot Act, which lets our phone companies store the metadata of our phone calls. Now when the FBI or CIA want phone metadata, they go to a FISA court which can direct our phone companies to release the metadata. I don't know if the NSA has copies of our text messages, but it is reasonable to assume that they do. The U.S. National Security Agency collected more than 151 million records of Americans’ phone calls last year, even after Congress limited its ability to collect bulk phone records. (The figure "151 million" is deceptive as it includes multiple calls made to or from the same phone number.) But Mueller would have go to a FISA court to gain access to whatever the NSA is storing in their massive data centers, and he's not going to do that. | |||
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| Edge seeking Sharp blade! |
They seem quite cavalier about transition communications, I suspect they wouldn't be so forthcoming if Sessions asked for Obama transition communications. | |||
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They would probably have to be translated into English. | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
Per prior reference `Transition officials had reportedly pre-sorted emails in anticipation of Mueller's investigation, separating "privileged" communications from the rest of the cache, and sources say they were surprised to learn of Mueller's use of the emails - as they have been fully cooperative with the special counsel investigation.' What is happening is that Mueller is conducting a witch-hunt, and President Trump and his attorneys are alleging "unlawful conduct" by Mueller. I don't think that Mueller will be fired in the traditional Trump sense, but Mueller might find himself being prosecuted in court. At least, I think that is the threat against Mueller. The battle strategy being to put Mueller in a disabled, defensive situation. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
All I was doing was highlighting a comparison between the seemingly effortless delivery of tens of thousands of documents by GSA with the seemingly impossible delivery of a few hundred Clinton e-mails in the possession of State Department. It may have something to do with “want to.” Who all hacked Hillary’s server has nothing to do with it. One can’t take a case to the Supreme Court just because. The case or controversy has to raise an important Constitutional issue or maybe present an issue as to which there is conflict between the circuits. The Supreme Court avoids political issues best resolved by the political classes. So, I wonder if there is an issue in the controversy thst merits Supreme Court review. Do you see one? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
Hillary's email shenanigans are technically unrelated to Mueller's efforts to indict "someone" for political purposes. Subterfuge via fake news is occurring by enemies of the Constitution of the fragile United States of America. Our enemies' plan is to "turn the tables" and allege email crimes against the Trump transition team. Hillary committed "gross negligence" using her private email server to transmit classified information. In lieu of further evidence, the Trump transition team has followed all Federal laws. The public is intended to be confused and find a simple explanation, but these games of deception occurring are most intricate.
It is an important Constitutional issue if an outgoing Presidential administration can legally undermine an incoming Presidential administration. Again, I'm not Jim Adler. | |||
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Good one  "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I’m not talking about all that intricate stuff, merely the astonishing speed on the one hand versus the appalling delay in the other.
It is certainly an important political issue, but perhaps not a Constitutional one. Maybe there is one. I’m not seeing one and thought perhaps you had. Sorry. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
I cannot stand this pantywaist fraud Stelter. | |||
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| Free radical scavenger |
Regarding Mueller's acquiring all of the Presidential transition team's emails:
Trump's legal team is alleging that Mueller's special counsel violated the Presidential transition team's 4th Amendment rights. The legal question is, who owns those emails? If the Federal government owns the emails, then Mueller's witch-hunt proceeds. If just some of those 10,000 emails were personal property, then Mueller engaged in "unlawful conduct" as alleged. The courts must decide this matter. Neither parties will stop arguing this embryonic case until it is decided by SCOTUS. My thinking is ahead of the "news", but the House has already concurred with me per a prior post by sdy from Fox News. | |||
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