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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:

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Originally posted by mrmn50:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
The 60s got nothing on what's coming.
Keep your powder dry.

You, me boy, have hit the nail on the head. The far left's desire for a civil war has gone into overdrive since the election of President Trump.

Which is odd, given that there is zero chance they could win that war.

There is not a way to divide the country, geographically.
So..... when it comes to civil war, we will just have to wipe out the urban core of most cities. There's no way to let them secede.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

There is not a way to divide the country, geographically.
So..... when it comes to civil war, we will just have to wipe out the urban core of most cities. There's no way to let them secede.

If and when things get bad enough, they'll wipe themselves out.

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Originally posted by lbj:
I read an article somewhere today that said all this fake news the last couple of days is not moving Trump's base.
In fact, it hardening their support.

The media never understands anything these days.

The people I know who supported Trump are just pissed and fed up now.

I have no idea if this will be helpful or interesting, but here it is.

In terms of "left" or "right": the political spectrum really isn't a straight line. It's really a circle.

When you get far enough on the left, you get to anarchism. When you get far enough on the right, you get libertarianism. These two groups have a lot in common in terms of political philosophy.

Anarchists (left wing) want even less government than libertarians. In fact they want no central government at all.

Anarcho-Capitalists are, in fact, libertarians.

So... the political spectrum is complicated. And when you get to the extremes "left" and "right" cease to be useful markers.

Yes... I was a political science major.

CNN at it again: http://www.washingtonexaminer....ycat/article/2631858

Blitzer is a total and complete moron.

and now the IT guy for little Debbie indicted on 4 counts:

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ted-on-4-counts.html

maybe she's got a little surprise coming too, eh?

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Originally posted by PeterGV:
I have no idea if this will be helpful or interesting, but here it is.

In terms of "left" or "right": the political spectrum really isn't a straight line. It's really a circle.

When you get far enough on the left, you get to anarchism. When you get far enough on the right, you get libertarianism. These two groups have a lot in common in terms of political philosophy.

Anarchists (left wing) want even less government than libertarians. In fact they want no central government at all.

Anarcho-Capitalists are, in fact, libertarians.

So... the political spectrum is complicated. And when you get to the extremes "left" and "right" cease to be useful markers.

Yes... I was a political science major.

That makes very little sense. Zero government vs total government are not next to each other on a circle. Think about what you were taught. How can you go totally left to total government and suddenly arrive at anarchy, which by definition, is a complete lack of government.

If you moved west into the frontier in 1790 and there was zero government presence, you are closer to anarchy than some ultra left-wing Stalinist utopia where every word is recorded in triplicate on carbon copies. FWIW

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Originally posted by lbj:
I read an article somewhere today that said all this fake news the last couple of days is not moving Trump's base.
In fact, it hardening their support.

The media never understands anything these days.

The people I know who supported Trump are just pissed and fed up now.

I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter. I voted for him as the least bad option.

Still, aside from the SCOTUS, the one beautiful thing about his pesidency is that it has truly laid bare the intellectual barrenness of the left. They are completely out of ideas and constructive solutions to anything.

The first 200 days of the Trump administration has made the medias' bias crystal clear and has demonstrated the true intentions of the Progressives in terms of their preferred direction for the country. We have seen the elites on the left and media excuse political violence when it suits their ends, and we have seen them tie themselves politically to some of the most fringe groups you could imagine.

I don't know how the left comes back to the center to win any elections now. How do they appeal to the very large subset of their party that is truly batshit crazy? Any Dem candidate now has to kowtow to a group that is so out of the mainstream that it will be impossible to win the moderates. Quite the situation they've created for themselves. It's as if there is no longer a Democrat Party, but a Socialist one.

If the GOP caucus wasn't riddled with closet liberals, they could take advantage of this situation and put them Dems away for a generation at least. But they will likely snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

But for any one with even a casual interest in politics, the Trump administration has been truly enlightening as far as the true nature of the left, and for that we can be thankful.

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Originally posted by Veeper:

That makes very little sense. Zero government vs total government are not next to each other on a circle. Think about what you were taught. How can you go totally left to total government and suddenly arrive at anarchy, which by definition, is a complete lack of government.

Intresting, isn't it?

Anarchism grew out of the radical socialist movement... they believe in no external government, outside of the collaborative. The few anarchist collaborative communities that actually have existed were founded in Spain (in the 30's IIRC, before the Spanish civil war) by radical leftists. Think of it like a 1960's hippie commune :-)

Anarchists and Libertarians have a lot in common. There are even groups that self-identify as "Left Anarchists" and "Right Anarchists."

I realize this is t the point of this thread, so I'll STFU now. I just wanted to make the point that "Left" and "Right" bexcomd increasingly useless handles the further to the extreme you move on either end of the spectrum.

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But for any one with even a casual interest in politics, the Trump administration has been truly enlightening as far as the true nature of the left, and for that we can be thankful.

If nothing else, it has made it clear, certain, that good faith and fair discussion has no place in their scheme of things. It's not just a difference of how best to adjust the nuances of American values, of Christian, western, democratic capitalism, a little more of this, a bit less if that. They are hell bent to tear all that up, put an end to centuries of steady, albeit sometimes uneven, progress towards the liberty and dignity of the individual, replaced with the terror and deprivation of world wide socialism, extinguishment of religious faith and learning.

You can't trust these guys.

The ink on the Obergefell decision wasn't dry before the Left had moved on to promoting the next sexual weirdness, and you had better celebrate it or you will be exiled from decent society.

I'm loving watching news sites, even the link aggregate Drudge, walk their narrative back as Trump continues to confound.

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Missouri State Senator: ‘I Hope Trump Is Assassinated!’

A Missouri state senator said in a now-deleted Facebook post that she hopes President Donald Trump is assassinated.

Maria Chappelle-Nadal acknowledged on Thursday that she wrote a post which read: “I hope Trump is assassinated!”

She made the comment in an exchange with a left-wing activist who claimed that his cousin is a Secret Service agent.

Chappelle-Nadal confirmed to a reporter with St. Louis TV station KMOX that she posted the comment.

“I put something up on my personal Facebook page and it has now been deleted,” she said.

Chappelle-Nadal, a Democrat, represents a district in a St. Louis suburb.

It is not clear exactly what prompted Chappelle-Nadal’s comment. But it was likely made in response to a discussion about the ongoing controversy over Trump’s comments about the violence in Charlottesville, Va. over the weekend.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08...ump-is-assassinated/

Asked if she would apologize...
She says she will apologize when Trump apologizes for his "bigoted" comments over the weekend.

This is a big deal which is receiving almost no coverage in the local media despite this woman's history of ill-advised, intemperate remarks. You may recall her classy tweets to former governor Jay Nixon during the Ferguson riots when she repeatedly tweeted, "FUCK you, Governor" among other things.

Below is an update in which Sen. Claire McCaskill D-MO, Rep. Lacy Clay D-MO, and many others call for her to resign. Clay, in a rare moment of lucidity is quoted as saying, "(C)alling for the assassination of the President is a federal crime. … (She is) an embarrassment to our state. She should resign immediately.”


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McCaskill, Clay and others call for Mo. senator to resign after post hoping for Trump's assassination

With five written words Thursday morning, one of Missouri's most controversial state lawmakers spawned a U.S. Secret Service investigation, potentially endangered her own political career — and flung St. Louis squarely into the middle of America's raging racial-political debate in the wake of the unrest in Charlottesville, Va.

"I hope Trump is assassinated!" Missouri state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, D-University City, wrote during a morning Facebook exchange, referring to Republican President Donald Trump.

She quickly deleted her post, but not quickly enough. By mid-afternoon, the political verdicts of her own party were rolling in:

U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.: "I condemn it. It's outrageous. And she should resign.”

U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-St. Louis: "(C)alling for the assassination of the President is a federal crime. … (She is) an embarrassment to our state. She should resign immediately.”

Missouri Democratic Party Chair Stephen Webber: "The … Party will absolutely not tolerate calls for the assassination of the President. I believe she should resign.”

Missouri Senate Democratic Caucus leader Sen. Gina Walsh: "(She) should be ashamed of herself for adding her voice to this toxic environment."

Republican Gov. Eric Greitens said in a statement: "We can have differences in our country, but no one should encourage political violence. The senator should resign."

Lt. Gov. Mike Parson, a Republican, and state Auditor Nicole Galloway, a Democrat, also called for Chappelle-Nadal's resignation.

In an interview, Chappelle-Nadal acknowledged she wrote the offending line on her personal Facebook page in response to another commenter before deleting it.

"I didn't mean what I put up. Absolutely not. I was very frustrated. Things have got to change," Chappelle-Nadal told the Post-Dispatch. "It was in response to the concerns that I am hearing from residents of St. Louis. I have deleted it, and it should have been deleted, but there is something way more important that we should be talking about."

She added later: "I am not resigning … What I said was wrong, but I am not going to stop talking about what led to that, which is the frustration and anger that many people across America are feeling right now."

Chappelle-Nadal said her comment stemmed from frustration over the events in Charlottesville over the weekend, in which a white supremacist protester allegedly rammed his car into a group of counter-protesters, killing a 32-year-old woman.

Trump's reaction to the tragedy, which included the assertion that "both sides" of the protests were to blame for the violence, has drawn criticism across the political spectrum.

"There are people who are afraid of white supremacists" in the aftermath of Charlottesville, she said. "There are people who are having nightmares. there are people who are afraid of going out in the streets. It's worse than even Ferguson."

According to a screenshot of the now-deleted conversation obtained by the Post-Dispatch, another commenter named Christopher Gagné was writing about a cousin of his who he said was on Trump's Secret Service detail.

"But, what I posted earlier, I truly believe will happen, sooner … not later," he wrote.

In a subsequent interview with the Post-Dispatch, Gagné said that wasn't a reference to assassination, but to his earlier-stated belief that Vice President Mike Pence will use the 25th Amendment of the Constitution to have Trump removed from office.

"Damn," Gagné then wrote, "now I'll probably get a visit from the secret service." He followed that comment with "smdh," an abbreviation for "shaking my d--- head."

Chappelle-Nadal responded: "No. I will. I hope Trump is assassinated!"

The U.S. Secret Service's St. Louis field office "is looking into this," the office confirmed Thursday.

Kristina Schmidt, special agent in charge, told the Post-Dispatch that "hypothetically" in such investigations, agents try to "determine intent, to determine if there was a violation of federal law. If there is, then we refer it to the U.S. Attorney."

"Our primary goal is to determine if there is intent and meaning behind it," Schmidt said.

Richard Callahan, former U.S. attorney in St. Louis, said that generally in cases involving such threats, "we try to distinguish between 'stupid' and (actual) intent." He said the "bottom line" is the question of whether the person was serious about making the threatened action happen.

Another factor, he said, is "whether it's a person of influence. You look at the person's station in life, whether they might have influence over others."

In addition to party-wide condemnation of Chappelle-Nadal's post, state Rep. Joshua Peters, D-St. Louis, issued a formal request Thursday to the Missouri Senate committee that deals with member ethics asking for Chappelle-Nadal's removal from office, calling her "an embarrassment nationally for the Missouri General Assembly."

The furious responses from Chappelle-Nadal's own party might at least partly reflect her history of internal political strife as an outspoken critic of people on both sides of the aisle.

First elected to the House in 2004, she served three terms before winning a four-way primary for the Senate’s 14th District in 2010.

In January 2015, she filed a proposal in the Senate seeking the ouster of former Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat, for his actions in relation to the August 2014 death of a black teenager in Ferguson by a white police officer. In her proposal, she said Nixon “seems only to acknowledge the existence of the African-American community on or about election day.”

The measure went nowhere. But her attacks on Nixon never dimmed. In a tweet at the time of the protests in Ferguson, Chappelle-Nadal wrote: “You don’t know s*** because you never communicate. F* you, governor!”

She’s also tried to exert political payback against her foes. She spent nearly $20,000 on negative ads against Rep. Joe Adams, whom she had defeated in her race for the Senate five years previously.

She got into a fight with Sen. Jamilah Nasheed, D-St. Louis, at a Lil Wayne Concert at Scottrade Center in 2011 over legislation regarding local control of the city police department.

Last year, she unsuccessfully challenged Clay, the St. Louis-based congressman, in the Democratic primary.

During the most recent legislative session, Chappelle-Nadal focused her efforts on a controversial buyout program for homeowners in the Spanish Village neighborhood of Bridgeton who have been impacted by pollution in the nearby Westlake Landfill.

Initially, she wanted her colleagues to approve a $12 million program and threatened to shut down the Senate with a filibuster if it didn’t move forward. She backed off when the Senate endorsed a $1 million pilot program. But the House didn’t agree and she left the Capitol in May with nothing.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
It's as if there is no longer a Democrat Party, but a Socialist one.

I would submit that they are way past socialism whether they admit it or not. They are hardcore, totalitarian Marxists. I used to say that they wanted the federal government to control every aspect of Americans' lives from birth to death. But that is not quite accurate. They, themselves, want to control every aspect of Americans' lives from birth to death, what we do, what we say, and our innermost private thoughts. The government is merely the tool they wield against us when it is in their hands. But there are other tools of oppression. Their thirst for absolute power is limitless.

I am an unabashed Trump supporter. I am tickled at what he is doing. He is exposing the Democrat Party AND the Republican Party for what they are. The national press has been outed and cannot now claim balanced, fair reporting.

I love it.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v...9001/?#sp=show-clips

How Trump’s economic plan will help the inner cities

Aug. 16, 2017 - 5:26 - Congress on Racial Equality spokesperson Niger Innis on why he believes President Trump’s push to create jobs will positively impact the inner cities.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Missouri State Senator: ‘I Hope Trump Is Assassinated!’

A Missouri state senator said in a now-deleted Facebook post that she hopes President Donald Trump is assassinated.

There's something this anti-American trash hasn't considered. Let's say that what she wishes, comes to pass. In all of the fury that would be whipped up in the wake of such an event, can you imagine the immense anger that would be focused on this woman? She wouldn't be able to go out into public without being torn to pieces. The thing she wishes for, would be the worst thing that could ever happen to her, now that she's opened her mouth about it.

She is the same person that was picked up by police, drunk and carrying a firearm during the Ferguson riots. She is an embarrassment to Missouri. Quite frankly she is also one of the dumbest politicians out there. Her, Lacy Clay, and Claire McCaskil between them, couldn't figure out how to open a bag of potatoe chips even if you handed them scissors.

Ken

The more the left and the establishment comes after Trump, the more I want him in office and the more they hate him, the more I know that his being in office is good for the country. I'm utterly disgusted with the likes of McCain, Romney, Graham and the rest of the rino scum. They're engaging in scorched earth politics and they'll stand by and let the country burn to get rid of Trump. The creatures of the swamp are busy making unholy alliances.

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They're engaging in scorched earth politics and they'll stand by and let the country burn to get rid of Trump.

I believe that they could not succeed at removing Trump short of civil war. Of course, I also believe that they want a civil war.