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Originally posted by chellim1:
Turnabout is fair play.
It's what the Leftist "news" media has done to conservatives for the last 30 years or more.

It is, and I'm glad they're doing it. On the other hand, it really stinks that our country has devolved to wild Left-Right swings with each side bent on exacting revenge on the other.

This recent thread is germane:

"A complete abdication of responsibility."

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

quote:

Originally posted by chellim1:
Turnabout is fair play.
It's what the Leftist "news" media has done to conservatives for the last 30 years or more.

It is, and I'm glad they're doing it. On the other hand, it really stinks that our country has devolved to wild Left-Right swings with each side bent on exacting revenge on the other.

No "other hand" for me on this.

If someone continually attacks you or bullies you, when you have finally chosen to not take it any more, equating your beating the snot out of the bully as being the same as bullying is a poor response.

The majority of those on the right are not and do not do the things to other people that the majority of the left does.

Fighting back against the continual lies, deceptions, antics and often criminal actions is just and nessacary.

And I am pleased to see it (re-)gaining ground.

The "press" is the only activity that is impossible to regulate, curb, stifle, limit by law.

They jealously guard this.

Public opinion is the only viable way. The press has to be constantly watched, kept in line, tolerated only when they act responsibly.

When has that ever happened?

continuing to show how lying, deceptive, and perhaps batshit delusional the media have become:

Brian Williams interviews Brian Karem who argued with Sarah Sanders in the press conference

https://www.realclearpolitics....ers_have_agenda.html

Karem: "It really rankles because I know reporters that have been beaten, reporters have been died. I've been jailed. There have been others that have been jailed longer than I have that have suffered to provide information to the republic,"

want to vomit yet ?

Williams: "It seemed to me watching you a big concern to you was this kind of negative affirmation for the audience that already is highly suspect of the information that comes out of the news media, believes we're all in the tank,"

Mr Williams, why would we be suspect of the media information? You mean as if reporters made stuff up?

and yes it is very painfully obvious that NBC / MSNBC etc have been "in the tank"

Karem: "And in that very meeting, Sarah recommended that we watch a video and she wasn't sure of the veracity of it or whether or not it was accurate but urged us to watch it. And I mean you're urging me to watch media you can't vouch for and then claiming that the people that are in that room have an agenda"

so Karem, is the person in the video not John Bonifield?
a spokesperson for CNN did not object to any of its content and only said the network "stands by our medical producer John Bonifield" because "diversity of personal opinion is what makes CNN strong, we welcome it and embrace it."

Snowflakes be a melting everywhere!

In the transcript with Williams, Karem whines about the tapes.

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We're led on a path of one way with Comey -- I've got tapes, no I don't have tapes. And then there's never any accountability. Yet they want to flip the script and hold us accountable while not accepting any responsibility themselves.

Nope, negatory!

I've heard other left wing symps make the claim that Trump said he made tapes. He did not. Trump said Comey had better hope there weren't any tapes before he leaks....

There is no assertion that there were tapes.

None of these guys have any idea of what accountability even means. The God Damned Commies believe in "no fault" accountability.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Karem: "It really rankles because I know reporters that have been beaten, reporters have been died. I've been jailed. There have been others that have been jailed longer than I have that have suffered to provide information to the republic,"

Real journalist response:
"Can you provide names and details of those people and instances you're referencing?" Of course he can't.

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Williams: "It seemed to me watching you a big concern to you was this kind of negative affirmation for the audience that already is highly suspect of the information that comes out of the news media, believes we're all in the tank,"

And why is that Bri? By the way, take any good helicopter rides in enemy territory lately?

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Karem: "And in that very meeting, Sarah recommended that we watch a video and she wasn't sure of the veracity of it or whether or not it was accurate but urged us to watch it. And I mean you're urging me to watch media you can't vouch for and then claiming that the people that are in that room have an agenda"

Real journalist response: "Well, isn't it your job as a journalist to review, investigate, and determine the veracity of the video? Ms. Huckabee simply pointed it out to you in case you'd missed it."

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A spokesperson for CNN did not object to any of its content and only said the network "stands by our medical producer John Bonifield" because "diversity of personal opinion is what makes CNN strong, we welcome it and embrace it."

Translation: Bonifield likely knows way to much of the internal goings on at CNN that he might opt to share with others if he were fired.

Hoo boy. Time to break out the water boards on Brennen, Clapper, Lynch and Comey and extract some vital truth... Who can plausibly conduct this investigation? Not the FBI, nor the CIA, nor the DOJ. Not sure who I'd trust, but it needs to happen. Then some heads will need to be spiked as a warning to the future.



Report: Obama Admin Relied On Outside Country For ‘Critical Intelligence’ Claiming Russia Interference

by AARON KLEIN 28 Jun 2017 TEL AVIV —


Adding more mystery to the Russian interference narrative, some of the most important technical intelligence used by the Obama administration to allege that Moscow interfered in the 2016 presidential election came from another country, the Washington Post reported.
The source of the intelligence led to the National Security Agency’s (NSA) reluctance to make conclusions with high confidence based on the data, the Post reported.

Those details were buried inside an extensive, 7,700-plus word Washington Post article published last week titled, “Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault.” The piece was based on interviews with over three dozen “current and former U.S. officials in senior positions in government, including at the White House, the State, Defense and Homeland Security departments, and U.S. intelligence services.”

A section inside the article contains this revelation:

Some of the most critical technical intelligence on Russia came from another country, officials said. Because of the source of the material, the NSA was reluctant to view it with high confidence.

The Post article seems to be the first public explanation for why the NSA only assessed with “moderate confidence” the conclusion of a January 6, 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community report alleging the Russian government sought to aid Donald Trump’s “election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

The CIA and FBI, by contrast, affirmed that judgement with “high confidence” in the intelligence report.

The Washington Post article further provided a window into the Obama administration’s compartmentalization of the reported intelligence effort said to be probing alleged Russian attempts to interfere in the election.

According to the newspaper, in the summer of 2016, then-CIA Director John Brennan convened a “secret task force at CIA headquarters composed of several dozen analysts and officers from the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.”

The Post described the unit as so secretive it functioned as a “sealed compartment” hidden even from the rest of the U.S. intelligence community; a unit whose workers were all made to sign additional non-disclosure forms.

The unit reported to top officials, the newspaper documented:

They worked exclusively for two groups of “customers,” officials said. The first was Obama and fewer than 14 senior officials in government. The second was a team of operations specialists at the CIA, NSA and FBI who took direction from the task force on where to aim their subsequent efforts to collect more intelligence on Russia.

The number of Obama administration officials who were allowed access to the Russia intelligence was also highly limited, the Post reported. At first only four senior officials were involved: Brennan, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and FBI Director James Comey. Their aides were all barred from attending the initial meetings, the Post reported.

Continued the newspaper:

Gradually, the circle widened to include Vice President Biden and others. Agendas sent to Cabinet secretaries — including John F. Kerry at the State Department and Ashton B. Carter at the Pentagon — arrived in envelopes that subordinates were not supposed to open. Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room.

Adding another layer of secrecy, the newspaper reported that when the closed Cabinet sessions on Russia began in the White House Situation Room in August, the video feed from the main room was cut off during the meetings. The feed, which allows only for video and not audio, is usually kept on so that senior aides can see when a meeting takes place.

The paper reported:

The blacked-out screens were seen as an ominous sign among lower-level White House officials who were largely kept in the dark about the Russia deliberations even as they were tasked with generating options for retaliation against Moscow.

Eventually, on January 6, 2017, the U.S. Intelligence Community released its report assessing Russian intentions during the presidential election.

The news media and some politicians have wrongly claimed that the report affirms the assessments of 17 intelligence agencies that Russia attempted to influence the election.

While the U.S. Intelligence Community is indeed made up of 17 agencies, the actual report was the product of only three – the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the National Security Agency (NSA). Indeed, in his testimony in May, Clapper made clear the report’s conclusions were the product of those three agencies and not seventeen.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...russia-interference/

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Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room.

so they met in the secret situation room. maybe Jay-Z attended as a special guest

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...asking-backlash.html

Susan Rice suggests race, gender bias linked to 'unmasking' backlash

Susan Rice, the Obama national security adviser under fire over her alleged involvement in the “unmasking” of Trump associates during the 2016 presidential election, suggested in a fresh interview that race and gender might be playing a role in the scrutiny she’s faced.

In an interview with journalist Michael Tomasky for New York Magazine, Rice reportedly questioned the criticism she’s faced dating back to the Benghazi controversy.

“Why me? Why not Jay Carney, for example, who was then our press secretary, who stood up more?” she asked.

Tomasky noted in the piece that Carney “isn’t an African-American woman, of course” and apparently asked Rice whether that is the key factor. Rice, in response, left the door open:

“I don’t know… I do not leap to the simple explanation that it’s only about race and gender. I’m trying to keep my theories to myself until I’m ready to come out with them. It’s not because I don’t have any.”

well you might start with that Carney didn't go on 5 Sunday shows and lie about Benghazi. And then ask if Carney has clearance and access to the FISA material

But Rice mentioned other prominent female figures – like Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice – who faced “ad hominem” attacks, suggesting a correlation.

good point Susan. look at that white male Donald Trump. He just never gets those ad hominem attacks, does he? Wait. what does ad hominem mean?

ad hominem - directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. An ad hominem argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.

oops

Those subpoenas have asked for unmasking information related to three individuals: former CIA Director John Brennan, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, and Rice.

Rice told Judy Woodruff on PBS on March 22 that she “knew nothing” about the unmasking of Trump associates. But weeks later on MSNBC, she admitted she sometimes sought out the identities of Trump associates who communicated with foreigners, a request known as “unmasking” in the intelligence community.

But “I leaked nothing to nobody,” Rice told MSNBC.

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Right on time, Soul Sistah!!



Stick it to The Man!!

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Tomasky noted in the piece that Carney “isn’t an African-American woman, of course”.

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that.

^^^^^

Screw that lying bitch!

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Screw that lying bitch!

Screw you, Honky!!

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Sorry, I got caught up in the moment

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:

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Report: Obama Admin Relied On Outside Country For ‘Critical Intelligence’ Claiming Russia Interference
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I think we can rule out GCHQ (the United Kingdom's SIGINT shop), unless they only had "moderate confidence" in the intel. From what little I know, if GCHQ thinks intel is high confidence, NSA will take their word.

So whom else might this be?

My guess would be Germany. They hate the Russians and I think Merkel would prefer to deal with President Clinton over President Trump.

Did somebody say Carney???

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
In the transcript with Williams, Karem whines about the tapes.

quote:

We're led on a path of one way with Comey -- I've got tapes, no I don't have tapes. And then there's never any accountability. Yet they want to flip the script and hold us accountable while not accepting any responsibility themselves.

Nope, negatory!

I've heard other left wing symps make the claim that Trump said he made tapes. He did not. Trump said Comey had better hope there weren't any tapes before he leaks....

There is no assertion that there were tapes.

None of these guys have any idea of what accountability even means. The God Damned Commies believe in "no fault" accountability.

Absolutely. President Trump never implied that he had tapes, other than by expressing a hope. The Press has got it all wrong about that.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

quote:

Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:

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Report: Obama Admin Relied On Outside Country For ‘Critical Intelligence’ Claiming Russia Interference
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I think we can rule out GCHQ (the United Kingdom's SIGINT shop), unless they only had "moderate confidence" in the intel. From what little I know, if GCHQ thinks intel is high confidence, NSA will take their word.

So whom else might this be?

My guess would be Germany. They hate the Russians and I think Merkel would prefer to deal with President Clinton over President Trump.

Nope. Germany was very friendly with Russia, until someone yanked Merkle's chain hard causing a very rapid 180 on Russia, making it inline with the U.S. view of Russia. My bet is that 'someone' let her know her phone was bugged long before Snowden did.

My guess is the Mossad. Bibi said 'Obama, you gonna screw around in my country's election, I'll screw around in your country's election. The timing is interesting.

Are these people for friggen real?


Where were they when Obama did NOTHING BUT fly around the goddamned country on AF1 campaigning? Seriously that's all the guy ever did and they were SILENT!

So now that Russia has fizzled, this is what they are going to try to pivot to, to "get" Trump?

Pathetic.

(from the AP)

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Campaigner-in-chief: Trump's politicking raises ethics flags


Barely five months into office, President Donald Trump keeps taking time out from governing to run for re-election.

On Wednesday night, he'll attend his first 2020 campaign fundraiser, rubbing elbows with some of the Republican Party's top donors on familiar turf: his own hotel down the street from the White House. He's already spent five evenings on the road at political rallies, always in states that supported him in November and always in front of an audience of thousands of fans who are screened and selected by his campaign aides.

The historically early campaigning comes with clear fundraising benefits, but it has raised red flags. Among them: Government employees have inappropriately crossed over into campaign activities, tax dollars may be subsidizing some aspects of campaign events, and as a constant candidate, the president risks alienating Americans who did not vote for him...

Campaigner-in-chief: Trump's politicking raises ethics flags