The Trump Presidency

April 06, 2017, 09:06 PM

parabellum

quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
How exactly would the Syrian government benefit from the use of sarin gas?

Your question assumes brains in the Syrian military and I see no evidence of that.

April 06, 2017, 09:09 PM

Oat_Action_Man

quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
why would Assad use sarin gas, a move that would only embolden the opposition and external push for his removal, when a) The Syrian government went to extremes in 2013 to allow OPCW inspectors to dismantle their chemical warfare program and stockpiles and b) The SAA and Iranian-backed forces had all but reversed most of the gains made by Islamist groups over the course of the past six years? Why not use conventional bombs ( greater casualty rates and property damage while only drawing minimal condemnation)? How exactly would the Syrian government benefit from the use of sarin gas?

Maybe Assad is just an asshole?

April 06, 2017, 09:09 PM

gw3971

quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
why would Assad use sarin gas, a move that would only embolden the opposition and external push for his removal, when a) The Syrian government went to extremes in 2013 to allow OPCW inspectors to dismantle their chemical warfare program and stockpiles and b) The SAA and Iranian-backed forces had all but reversed most of the gains made by Islamist groups over the course of the past six years? Why not use conventional bombs ( greater casualty rates and property damage while only drawing minimal condemnation)? How exactly would the Syrian government benefit from the use of sarin gas?

They used gas before when they crossed Obamas redline. Obama did nothing. Syrian leaders watch American Media in their anti Trump fit and he likely believed that Trump wouldn't act. Trump was tested and Trump responded. The Dems are huddling in their safe spaces trying to decide how to spin this. We live in a new world since hilde beasts defeat.

April 06, 2017, 09:20 PM

Skins2881

quote:
Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
quote:
Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
why would Assad use sarin gas, a move that would only embolden the opposition and external push for his removal, when a) The Syrian government went to extremes in 2013 to allow OPCW inspectors to dismantle their chemical warfare program and stockpiles and b) The SAA and Iranian-backed forces had all but reversed most of the gains made by Islamist groups over the course of the past six years? Why not use conventional bombs ( greater casualty rates and property damage while only drawing minimal condemnation)? How exactly would the Syrian government benefit from the use of sarin gas?

Maybe Assad is just an asshole?

Accurate analysis.

April 06, 2017, 09:24 PM

Icabod

My thought is that this was a test of Trump. Obama would have cried and limp wristed the response. The Donald basically said "Hell no!" And kicked them in the teeth.
Did Russian have a part in this? Donno.

April 06, 2017, 09:31 PM

parabellum

Per the Pentagon, the Russians were warned by the US to leave the airbase in advance of the attack.

The United States needs to bolster its military arsenal and increase the number of active duty military personnel, PDQ.

April 06, 2017, 09:32 PM

Hound Dog

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:

The U.S. military saw the aircraft on a radar and watched them drop the bombs, the officials said. The radar soon picked up the flashes and booms in the rebel-held area of Syria.

That is some radar that can detect bomb flashes and hear the booms. . .

Not directed at you, sdy, but the imbecile who wrote that sentence.

quote:
My thought is that this was a test of Trump. Obama would have cried and limp wristed the response.

president sparklemuffin would argue that "There's no conclusive PROOF that Syria used chemical weapons. . . " and launch an 'investigation' (that would go absolutely nowhere). He would delay and drag his feet, and the msm would come up with something about the kardashians or something to distract the sheep, and the issue would be forgotten (except by Assad and others who would simply see it as yet another example of flaccid 'leadership').

April 06, 2017, 09:32 PM

Carpentermaass84

I am not disagreeing with anyone's points. I just couldn't figure out what Assad had to gain from pulling a stunt like this. Hopefully Trump ups support for our allies on the ground and sends surface to air missiles to rebel groups. With SAA and Russian CAS grounded the rebels should be able to push toward Damascus and remove Assad, and his head, from power.

April 06, 2017, 09:32 PM

topherh

Several B-2's in the air over the Kansas City area this afternoon. That's not normal....perhaps more to come?

April 06, 2017, 09:35 PM

Ronin1069

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Per the Pentagon, the Russians were warned by the US to leave the airbase in advance of the attack.

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Para,

May I ask where you saw/heard that? I am trying to find a link to read more...

ETA - Found a link:

http://www.startribune.com/tru...al-attack/418545133/

Before the strikes, U.S. military officials said they informed their Russian counterparts of the impending attack. The goal was to avoid any accident involving Russian forces.

Nevertheless, Russia's Deputy U.N. ambassador Vladimir Safronkov warned that any negative consequences from the strikes would be on the "shoulders of those who initiated such a doubtful and tragic enterprise."

The U.S. also notified its partner countries in the region prior to launching the strikes.

April 06, 2017, 09:39 PM

parabellum

Yo, Vladimir! How they hangin' about now, babe?

April 06, 2017, 09:42 PM

sdy

Assad has used Sarin (GB) before. He uses it to kill the opposition and to terrorize the opposition.

Why would he use it? Because no one backed up their "red lines" before.

We heard many times that Iraq moved its' chemical weapons to Syria. You know, the Iraq that had no WMD. But the country next door has multiple chemical agents. What a coincidence.

N Korea will be watching this too. When the Iranians, Syrians, and N Korea know we will act if provoked, this might make them pause.

April 06, 2017, 09:45 PM

TigerDore

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
CNN is reporting that "the cruise missiles are very precise. You can select an air base, or a runway and hit that"

Wow, you can actually hit an air base with a missile? That is precision I tell you.

CNN thinks that Slim Pickens personally guides them to their target, bareback style.

April 06, 2017, 09:50 PM

sdy

some short video and pics released by Pentagon:

https://twitter.com/passantino...news%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

April 06, 2017, 09:53 PM

Doc H.

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
CNN is reporting that "the cruise missiles are very precise. You can select an air base, or a runway and hit that"

Wow, you can actually hit an air base with a missile? That is precision I tell you.

Well, if it's a really BIG Air Base, with "Air Base" painted on the front gate. And close by.

April 06, 2017, 09:57 PM

46and2

#shitsgettinreal

April 06, 2017, 10:00 PM

Ryanp225

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
some short video and pics released by Pentagon:

https://twitter.com/passantino...news%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Well fuck that place in particular.

April 06, 2017, 10:06 PM

FRANKT

I'd love to see a picture of how that runway looks now in comparison to that picture from Oct. of last year. Not nearly as pretty I hope.

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