The ninth circuit is an absurd joke. So because some universities in Washington state have students that can't attend class or some such ridiculousness, the national security of the United States which is in jeopardy as deemed by the President must take a back seat.
I'm disgusted.
~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
February 09, 2017, 05:36 PM
olfuzzy
quote:
Originally posted by joel9507: Not to say some aren't, but Assad's not exactly an unbiased source.
He and the storm he provoked are what made them refugees. They are his enemies - he's what they are 'refugee-ing' away from.
I agree, but I like the part where he just wants them to come home.
As for the future of Syria’s 4.8 million refugees, Assad said, “For me, the priority is to bring those citizens to their country, not to help them immigrate.”
February 09, 2017, 05:37 PM
wcb6092
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember: unless one of the dem caves in and decides not to vote and that might make it 4-3
one could only hope
so we have set a new high bar in being low. A useless judge can now pre-empt and take responsibility for the security of the entire nation.
the first crime that occurs, the judge should be held as an accessory to the crime
fuck that noise - we need another revolution
I know it will be a while but; why can't the Trump Administration appeal to the Supreme court after the nomination of the new Justice?
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February 09, 2017, 05:39 PM
stoic-one
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember: unless one of the dem caves in and decides not to vote and that might make it 4-3
one could only hope
so we have set a new high bar in being low. A useless judge can now pre-empt and take responsibility for the security of the entire nation.
the first crime that occurs, the judge should be held as an accessory to the crime
fuck that noise - we need another revolution
I know it will be a while but; why can't the Trump Administration appeal to the Supreme court after the nomination of the new Justice?
Because seating him may be months away... nomination <> seating/confirmation.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
February 09, 2017, 05:40 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember: unless one of the dem caves in and decides not to vote and that might make it 4-3
one could only hope
so we have set a new high bar in being low. A useless judge can now pre-empt and take responsibility for the security of the entire nation.
the first crime that occurs, the judge should be held as an accessory to the crime
fuck that noise - we need another revolution
I know it will be a while but; why can't the Trump Administration appeal to the Supreme court after the nomination of the new Justice?
And when will that happen? This case could take a year to get to the Supreme Court.
This was originally just a 90 day halt!
~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
February 09, 2017, 05:43 PM
lbj
Interesting that the temporary order from the court will be moot in a few months. The court did not rule on the total numbers of refugees already set for fiscal year 2017 and left that unchanged.
That number is 50 thousand for this year. I read recently that about 35 thousand or more have already arrived for fiscal year 2017.
Therefore, the cap will be reached soon and no more refugees will be able come in once the 50 thousand is reached until fiscal year 2018.
Kind of funny actually.
____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal.
There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life.
February 09, 2017, 05:46 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by lbj:
Therefore, the cap will be reached soon and no more refugees will be able come in once the 50 thousand is reached until fiscal year 2108 .
That'll work.
~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
February 09, 2017, 05:48 PM
lbj
Yeah really. Of course I meant 2018, so I went ahead and corrected the year. Funny, you got me.
____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal.
There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life.
February 09, 2017, 05:49 PM
Balzé Halzé
~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country
Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
February 09, 2017, 06:12 PM
olfuzzy
If we have to let them in, do we legally have to give them benefits?
February 09, 2017, 06:38 PM
Leemur
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
quote:
CNN is on one of the TVs at the gym
You need to talk to the people who run the gym...
There's Foxnews too and you can't hear it unless you plug in to their headset jacks on the cardio equipment.
February 09, 2017, 06:40 PM
mbinky
Remember when Obama blamed the country's mood on all the "bars and airports" that played Fox? LOL I can count the bars and airports on ONE HAND that play Fox; they all play CNN.
Guess again, jack wagon.
February 09, 2017, 06:46 PM
ChicagoSigMan
quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN: Relax.
The next step is a hearing en banc before the entire court, if the court will grant it.
By the time it gets to the Supremes, the EO will have expired by its own terms.
Trump can have his legal guys sharpen their word processors and craft an EO to avoid these perceived injustices and go with that.
While that is going on, one party may ask Justice Kennedy who supervises the 9th Circuit to do something. I'd say likely not on this.
By then Justice Gorsuch will be on the bench and all will be well, eventually, as well as it may get anyway.
If I were Trump, I would skip en en banc hearing and go straight to the SCOTUS. The rules of the 9th Circuit say that the en banc hearing includes the 3 judges who heard the original case - so it's an uphill battle from the start.
The law is so overwhelmingly clear on this issue that I would not be surprised to see Trump win even in an 8 person Supreme Court. Sotomayor has the IQ of a rock and Ginsburg is so reflexively liberal , but I don't know that Kennedy, Kagen or Breyer would want to stand behind this 9th Circuit opinion that is so contrary to the law. It really is that bad that I could see a 6-2 decision against it.
February 09, 2017, 06:50 PM
mbinky
^^^^ I agree with this. When it comes to the 'Nutty Ninth" even the SCOTUS has no appetite for BS. There have been a few unanimous overturns of the Obama lawlessness. I do not like Kagen or Sotomayor but occasionally the fog clears.
February 09, 2017, 06:57 PM
nhtagmember
quote:
No surprises with the 9th! Trumps next executive order should be to send all of the new refugees to California, Oregon, Washington, and New York. The want em they should get em.
agreed - but send them all - every single one - to the location where the court is seated. I am sure the 'judge' will be pleased to see his handiwork
I hope he fucking chokes on his soup
[B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC
February 09, 2017, 06:59 PM
parabellum
Good times
February 09, 2017, 07:01 PM
JALLEN
quote:
Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN: Relax.
The next step is a hearing en banc before the entire court, if the court will grant it.
By the time it gets to the Supremes, the EO will have expired by its own terms.
Trump can have his legal guys sharpen their word processors and craft an EO to avoid these perceived injustices and go with that.
While that is going on, one party may ask Justice Kennedy who supervises the 9th Circuit to do something. I'd say likely not on this.
By then Justice Gorsuch will be on the bench and all will be well, eventually, as well as it may get anyway.
If I were Trump, I would skip en en banc hearing and go straight to the SCOTUS. The rules of the 9th Circuit say that the en banc hearing includes the 3 judges who heard the original case - so it's an uphill battle from the start.
The law is so overwhelmingly clear on this issue that I would not be surprised to see Trump win even in an 8 person Supreme Court. Sotomayor has the IQ of a rock and Ginsburg is so reflexively liberal , but I don't know that Kennedy, Kagen or Breyer would want to stand behind this 9th Circuit opinion that is so contrary to the law. It really is that bad that I could see a 6-2 decision against it.
Neither court must grant a hearing. In any event, the best thing probably is to rescind this order, mooting the cases, redraft an EO with the criticisms in mind, and issue another.
BTW, the acting AG said she wouldn't enforce this order, but we were told it had been vetted by the Office of Legal Counsel before Trump signed it. I would have expected the issues raised in the case to have been dealt with at OLC and drafted around.This message has been edited. Last edited by: JALLEN, February 09, 2017 08:49 PM
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
February 09, 2017, 07:14 PM
Jim Shugart
Let's step back for a moment and get things into perspective: All this shit is small potatoes.
Close your eyes, imagine Hillary Clinton as our president, and count to ten.
Things ain't really so bad, are they?
When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw
