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When asked if he checked our HOA, his evasion was he'd gotten the rules at closing. Duh, that's when you're supposed to.

One can get the CCR's anytime he wants. You don't have to wait until the closing.

Amazing how many people love socialism around here.

Freely entered voluntary association.

It's called civil society.

Not really freely entered if you're forced into it when buying the house.

You've ever been forced to buy a house?

What is the point of your posting your one sentence question 3 months later? Are you trolling?

I sincerely apologise for offending your sensibilities by letting my forum responsibilities lapse and not posting in a manner timely enough to meet your no doubt impeccible standards.

i.e bite me.

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I sincerely apologise (sic) for offending your sensibilities by letting my forum responsibilities lapse and not posting in a manner timely enough to meet your no doubt impeccible (sic) standards.

i.e bite me.

Well OK. As long as you apologize, I guess it's not a big deal.

I live in Irvine. The entire city is master planned, and I like it here. Parks are manicured, traffic is carefully planned, everything is modern. It's beautiful and safe. I can't complain.

Ours is okay. No major issues. Lady who was the head of our HOA a couple years back (she's since stepped down) is pretty cool. At a neighbors party we spent an hour drinking beers and talking about Glocks and SIGs.

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I sincerely apologise (sic) for offending your sensibilities by letting my forum responsibilities lapse and not posting in a manner timely enough to meet your no doubt impeccible (sic) standards.

i.e bite me.

Well OK. As long as you apologize, I guess it's not a big deal.

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Then you got the big hunk of shit sticking out like an elephant in an elevator blocking the sidewalk. I guess a keyword in sidewalk might be walk. Walk as in people walk on it.

You can probably call the police and get them ticketed for this.

If Edmond lives in a development like mine, that would not work.

Our streets, along with the few sidewalks that we have, are not owned by the city. They are owned by us (the HOA). We pay directly for street maintenance. We have the right, and that right is exercised, to close off our streets by using an entrance gate. The police have no enforcement rights for this type of "transgression" inside our gates. The only recourse is via the HOA. They have the right to impose a fine. I'm not sure whether they have the right to have the offending vehicle towed.

We used to have boat owners park their boats / trailers in their driveways or on the street, in violation of the HOA rules. That has come to a stop with the current board. Rules allow short term parking, such as the night before or after you use the boat, but no long-term parking. Fairly reasonable, in my opinion.

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You would think that people would give a shit and not let the place they live go to shit but people do.

They have no consideration for others who want to live in a decent, clean neighborhood.

If any of this shit looks normal and acceptable to you guys, I would hate to see how fucked up the inside of your houses are. Probably covered in dog shit with clogged toilets.

This dickwad has a big ass hole in his roof. It's been like that for at least a year since I have moved here. It was like that during the hurricane when it rained for twenty something straight hours. I wonder if any water got in there. They have 2 cars that don't run, that sit there while they park the one running car they do have in the street. It's a narrow street, BTW.





Then you got this guy. Parking his car on the lawn like it's the fucking barrio. Then you got the big hunk of shit sticking out like an elephant in an elevator blocking the sidewalk. I guess a keyword in sidewalk might be walk. Walk as in people walk on it.

His property, his decision. One of the key foundations of Western civilization.

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When asked if he checked our HOA, his evasion was he'd gotten the rules at closing. Duh, that's when you're supposed to.

One can get the CCR's anytime he wants. You don't have to wait until the closing.

Amazing how many people love socialism around here.

Freely entered voluntary association.

It's called civil society.

Not really freely entered if you're forced into it when buying the house.

You've ever been forced to buy a house?

You're not forced into buying a house. You're forced into the HOA after buying one.

I wouldn't mind an optional HOA, as in, sign up if you want after you buy a house. But I will never support telling people what they can and can't do on their own property. That's as un-American a sentiment as it gets.

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Not really freely entered if you're forced into it when buying the house.

You've ever been forced to buy a house?

You're not forced into buying a house. You're forced into the HOA after buying one.

I wouldn't mind an optional HOA, as in, sign up if you want after you buy a house. But I will never support telling people what they can and can't do on their own property. That's as un-American a sentiment as it gets.

Not exactly.... you're NOT forced into the HOA after buying one. You ARE forced into the HOA as a CONDITION of buying one. You don't have to buy it... but the covenants and restrictions "run with the land".

Most property is subject to some covenants and restrictions. Sometimes they are imposed by the County in which you live. Sometimes they are private restrictions, agreed to at the time a subdivision is formed. These restrictions are not "as un-American a sentiment as it gets" ... unless you think that most of what we call suburbia is "un-American".

I love our 16 household HOA. I’m the president!

We collect money from the association to maintain our shared private road. We get it plowed in the winter and get it repaired and grated in the summer. We have an annual meeting of the membership. I’m addition to maintaining the road, we pay for insurance for our common land, and we pay the common land taxes. That’s about all we do.

Whenever anybody calls me to complain about something one of our neighbors is doing, I tell them to go talk to their neighbor and work it out: “The Association isn’t the police, it isn’t the fire department, and it’s not a replacement for you working out your differences with your neighbors.”

Some people don’t like that. They get mad and pouty. Until they’re the ones somebody’s bitching about.

It wasn’t always this way. Over the years, before I was prez, the Association has sent letters to people about too many parked cars or their kids driving too fast on the dirt road or other similar heinous crimes.

I put a stop to that shit. We live in New Hampshire where the motto is “Live free or die.” I’ve been prez for going on ten years now, I think.

An HOA that is unwilling to enforce the rules everyone has accepted when they purchased the property is eventually unable to enforce the rules.

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Whenever anybody calls me to complain about something one of our neighbors is doing, I tell them to go talk to their neighbor and work it out

Talk directly to your neighbors about a problem? How barbaric.

I dont like HOAs and have had to have a few conversations with my neighbors. I think they are good people but have a teenager with a loud truck....its annoying but I was a teenager once as well. I just keep hoping he gets a girlfriend. After a few conversations I've found that, knock on wood, the inconsiderateness stopped. I think if I do move I will likely try to have more space and distance from my neighbors.

My issue with an HOA is even if you come in and like the way its run currently, what happens if the management/board changes and suddenly I hate what they impose. I guess theres issues everywhere.

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My issue with an HOA is even if you come in and like the way its run currently, what happens if the management/board changes and suddenly I hate what they impose.

Like any other representative democracy... if you don't like the way your elected officials handle things, you either run for the office yourself or find someone else you can support to run for it.

Of course, if they "impose" something that's not supported by your indentures or by-laws you can always sue.

Ours works great.

We chose to live in an HOA community, we were not forced into anything. We fully understood the covenants before we moved in.

My property value is over $100K more than the street south of us, built at the same time by the same builder. They chose to allow their HOA to expire about 7 years ago.

When we retire we'll be moving a bit further out and wont likely need or care about an HOA. Until then, it's helping keep my property value where it should be and I like that.

I live in an HOA that barely exists

at the annual board meeting it was in such disarray that it essentially folded in on itself

its toothless and the people essentially told them to stuff it

my kind of HOA

When we were shopping for.a home I was dead set against HOAs then we found our house and fell in love with the neighbourhood. Finding mature trees around NDFW with any type of yard seemed rare. I read the convenient and it was reasonable so we bought it. They pinged us about our back porch needing paint.....it did and I did a kick ass paint job on it.....no matter what the SWMBO says....

Since then ...nothing....

Still the neighbourhood is quite nice and with that and Toyota building their NA HQ in the area our home value has gone up $40K in 2 years...not that we plan on selling, at least until we can afford 100 acres.

So far so good

We live in a large HOA neighborhood and like it. The HOA keeps things looking nice without being a pain, which is a good balance for us. No neighbors with a refrigerator on the front porch like our last neighborhood.

I have to say I got very lucky with my HOA. It is $200 a year and all they do is maintain the front signs (which they just built really nice ones), and keep up the common areas.

An HOA is a balance, one you should very carefully weigh and decide upon before entering. Yes, you give up certain rights and now have to abide by certain covenants and restrictions (you should know exactly what they are before buying). In return, you theoretically get some protection from home owners that literally do not care one iota about how their property looks and how it might negatively impact the beauty and property values of the neighborhood. As I said - a balance and decision not to be taken lightly. If you feel that "I can do whatever I want on my property and I don't care what impact that might have on others," an HOA is not for you. If you want to provide at least some protection of beauty and value, then perhaps it's a worthwhile tradeoff. Have lived under both situations and, depending on the HOA rules, I at least consider that as a viable option.