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December 29, 2020, 04:14 PM
casRemington Update: Union accuses Remington Arms’ ...
quote:
Originally posted by kramden:
Unions WAY BACK in the day were a good thing.
Workers being abused hourly, unsafe working conditions etc. , etc. Today they are a curse. Just an arm of the democratic party.
Unions made America great.
Then they ruined it.
Like all forms of socialism/communism, it only works for a little while.
December 29, 2020, 08:26 PM
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The ones keeping ammo in short supply.
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Remington the gun maker was split off, as was the ammo division. They are separate companies owned by different people, I believe, but bought the rights to retain the name. No one is "creating" an ammo shortage except consumers.
December 29, 2020, 09:34 PM
monoblokquote:
Originally posted by HRK:
That is a good question, does the existing Union Contract stand. If they bought the company then the contracts should stand since an ownership change doesn't change the corporations commitments, unless those commitments were dissolved as part of the bankruptcy.
Nope. That's the thing about bankruptcy; this procedure can and will protect the buyer from the mistakes that the prior owner made, including any outstanding contracts. After all the buyer didn't sign these deals, and besides all they may be buying is whatever cherry picked bones that are worth having to do with as they please. We already know that they certainly were not buying the company in its entirety as it stood just prior to the bankruptcy filing.
The union has no leg to stand on from a contract standpoint, but they could easily try to put political pressure through their contacts in New York's Democratic power base.
-MG
December 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
1s1kquote:
Originally posted by odin:
quote:
But their day is over and they are now just a bloated corrupt bullshit organization, a parasite that kills its host
I beg to differ. For 40 years I was a manager and had to work with Unions. Most of the unions had negotiated contracts that allowed management some leeway to accomodate the needs of the business. Now, I belong to a Union, required by the job I'm in, and attend every union meeting. If it was up to management here, we would be earning $8.50 less per hour and "forced" to do certain things.
So, a Union is still necessary if management would stoop to forcing things on employees that are not fair or proper.
Now, talk to me about the Services Contract Act.... The bastards in Congress......
People that really don’t know much about unions lump them all together as one and the reality is that most are like what you have experienced.
December 29, 2020, 10:29 PM
rburgquote:
Originally posted by odin:
The bastards in Congress......
An ultimate truth
Unhappy ammo seeker
December 29, 2020, 11:03 PM
Expatquote:
Originally posted by odin:
quote:
But their day is over and they are now just a bloated corrupt bullshit organization, a parasite that kills its host
I beg to differ. ...
Most of the unions had negotiated contracts that allowed management some leeway to accomodate the needs of the business...
That really says most of it right there. Just a bit of irony.
December 30, 2020, 08:22 AM
rscalzoquote:
The ones keeping ammo in short supply. It might be cheaper to build a new plant with all new machinery to the sunny south with friendly laws and lower heating bills.
The ammo division was bought by Vista, not this company.
I doubt the company will see a long term association with the state of NY. In the end most of those employees will be gone.
Calling back solely based on sonority may sound good to them based on the contract but are they the best people to get the company back in operation? Maybe not.
December 30, 2020, 10:06 AM
Mars_Attacksquote:
Originally posted by 1s1k:
quote:
Originally posted by odin:
quote:
But their day is over and they are now just a bloated corrupt bullshit organization, a parasite that kills its host
I beg to differ. For 40 years I was a manager and had to work with Unions. Most of the unions had negotiated contracts that allowed management some leeway to accomodate the needs of the business. Now, I belong to a Union, required by the job I'm in, and attend every union meeting. If it was up to management here, we would be earning $8.50 less per hour and "forced" to do certain things.
So, a Union is still necessary if management would stoop to forcing things on employees that are not fair or proper.
Now, talk to me about the Services Contract Act.... The bastards in Congress......
People that really don’t know much about unions lump them all together as one and the reality is that most are like what you have experienced.
I was in the teachers union.
100% corrupt that was only self serving.
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December 30, 2020, 10:14 AM
coloradohunter44quote:
Originally posted by kramden:
Unions WAY BACK in the day were a good thing.
Workers being abused hourly, unsafe working conditions etc. , etc. Today they are a curse. Just an arm of the democratic party.
Agreed. The union I was around allowed employees to show up and almost never work. They are an arm of the Democrats. AFLCIO is basically a crime organization. Unions exist to further unions and not much else. They impede progress and are bloated worthless entities.
"Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am."
looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP!
December 30, 2020, 11:10 AM
MicropterusI read somewhere that Richmond Italia, managing partner at Roundhill Group LLC, said the first guns that will roll off the production line will be 870s. I hope they start producing their staples: 870, 11-87 and 700. OEM parts for these guns have virtually dried up.
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December 30, 2020, 11:37 AM
trebor44Unions, love them or hate them. BUT they did have a role in making America great. The sad part is their affiliation with with 'socialist' ideology and the corruption of their "leaders". I've seen the benefits and negative side of them. Their history relates to times when they were needed. Does the need still exist today? It depends on who's the boss!
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December 30, 2020, 05:45 PM
clayflingythingyI doubt we will ever see another Remington firearm.
Think back to emails earlier this year from CDNN and Midwayusa.com selling stripped receivers, barrels, stock sets etc. I suspect the "old" Remington liquidated the entire parts inventory for $.
I suspect the union is getting all worked up and bothered over jobs that are never coming back.
December 30, 2020, 09:49 PM
YooperSigsAnd I dont think the Remington union members (or their lawyer) were paying attention when Kimber left NY and went south of the Mason-Dixon line.
End of Earth: 2 Miles
Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles
December 30, 2020, 11:03 PM
CQB60Time to say bye to Ilion & hello to Texas...
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December 31, 2020, 08:42 AM
Beancookerquote:
Originally posted by rburg:
My only regret is that I have nearly a case of their 9mm ammo.
I’ll be more than happy to purchase your regret for a fair price.
quote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I'd fly to Turks and Caicos with live ammo falling out of my pockets before getting within spitting distance of NJ with a firearm.
December 31, 2020, 12:18 PM
BBMWActually they unions do have recourse here, because the buyers agreed to honor the contract as part of the terms of the sale.
quote:
Originally posted by monoblok:
quote:
Originally posted by HRK:
That is a good question, does the existing Union Contract stand. If they bought the company then the contracts should stand since an ownership change doesn't change the corporations commitments, unless those commitments were dissolved as part of the bankruptcy.
Nope. That's the thing about bankruptcy; this procedure can and will protect the buyer from the mistakes that the prior owner made, including any outstanding contracts. After all the buyer didn't sign these deals, and besides all they may be buying is whatever cherry picked bones that are worth having to do with as they please. We already know that they certainly were not buying the company in its entirety as it stood just prior to the bankruptcy filing.
The union has no leg to stand on from a contract standpoint, but they could easily try to put political pressure through their contacts in New York's Democratic power base.
December 31, 2020, 01:30 PM
Il Cattivo^^^ Again, devils and details.
December 31, 2020, 02:38 PM
jimmy123xGiven the quality of Remingtons long guns in the past 5 years. It would be better to bulldoze the plant, build a new one in the South without crazy taxes and a union, and start from scratch.