That was the first thing I noticed, that it was moving astern.
Probably takes a while to drop the hook on that thing.
Should require tug escorts on ships transiting these areas.

On this or any other "tall ship," the sails are adjusted by men shinnying up 100-foot masts. "Age of Sail" sailors had a dangerous and often short life.

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According to the Latin Times, the barque’s crew likely misjudged the height of its 171-foot masts in relation to the bridge’s 127-foot clearance at high tide.

That’s what they get for hiring a dyslexic navigator. He thought the clearance was 172 feet.

There was a tug right nearby. I'm curious to hear why they didn't assist...if there was time.

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Originally posted by PASig:
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1923910988941689302

In this video, at about 29s, you can hear the impact of someone hitting the deck after falling from the middle mast.

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That was the first thing I noticed, that it was moving astern.
Probably takes a while to drop the hook on that thing.
Should require tug escorts on ships transiting these areas.

There was a tug alongside thoughout the incident but I couldn't see any visible lines afterward.

Yes, there was a tug trying to maneuver into position to assist but it couldn't move quick enough. In another video I saw, taken from the sidewalk aft of the sailing ship, you could see the water frothing about at the aft end of the sailing ship, leading me to believe it was in reverse.
Probably a control issue but hard to believe this ship would have fly by wire controls.

The current in the East River runs at about 6 knots. Direction depends on whether the tide is flooding or Ebbing.

Crew standing on yardarms in display is impressive, it should be standard procedure that all aloft should come down when in proximity to a bridge lower than mast height, whether under sail or auxiliary power.

Well, they have questioned the capitain and he said he didn't want to taco about it.

Looks like the Brooklyn Bridge came out on top this time.

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Turbulent waters may have contributed to Mexican tall ship’s crash into Brooklyn Bridge

NEW YORK (AP) — When a Mexican navy tall ship crashed into the Brooklyn Bridge, it was maneuvering in turbulent waters. The tide had just turned, and a fast current was heading up the East River as a 10 mph wind set in.

While such hazards are easily handled by an experienced captain, mistakes can be costly in the heavily transited New York harbor, where narrow, curvy channels, winds howling off the jagged Manhattan skyline and whirlpool-like eddies can combine to make for difficult passage.

In the case of the 300-foot (90-meter) Cuauhtemoc, two sailors were killed and 19 were injured Saturday when the ship struck the iconic bridge, toppling the vessel’s three masts like dominoes as it drifted toward a crowded pier. It’s unknown what caused the collision, and an investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board is likely to take months.

But footage of the collision shot by horrified onlookers show the ship hurtling into the bridge in reverse at full speed, suggesting the captain lost control of the engine. There are also questions about whether a tugboat escort peeled away too soon and should have been rigged to the ship or stayed with it until it headed out to sea. Similar tugboat concerns emerged when a large cargo vessel crashed into a bridge in Baltimore last year.

Sal Mercogliano, a former merchant mariner who has powered multiple ships through the New York harbor, said all those “worst-case scenarios” — the ship’s height, a strong current, heavy wind and the absence of a more controlled tugboat escort — all contributed to the tragedy.

“The prudent thing would’ve been to leave two hours earlier, when the tide was going out. That would’ve been the ideal time,” said Mercogliano, who writes a widely followed shipping blog. “But I don’t think they ever envisioned that their engine would’ve propelled them into the bridge.”

Still, he said an even deadlier catastrophe was avoided by the ship’s steel rigging, which prevented the masts from falling into the water, as well as the fact that the crew stayed harnessed in position rather than taking the risk that some members could tumble from a 12-story height as they scrambled down the rat lines.

“You could have had guys strapped in drowning in the river,” he said. “This could have been a lot worse.”

The Cuauhtemoc visited New York as part of a 15-nation global goodwill tour and was departing for Iceland when it struck the bridge at around 8:20 p.m., briefly halting traffic atop the span.

Mayor Eric Adams said the 142-year-old bridge escaped major damage, but at least 19 of the 277 sailors aboard the ship needed medical treatment. Two of the four people who suffered serious injuries later died.

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum lamented the loss. “Our solidarity and support go out to their families,” Sheinbaum said on X.

The Cuauhtemoc sailed for the first time in 1982. It is almost 300 feet long and its main mast has a height of 160 feet (50 meters), about 30 feet (9 meters) higher than the span of the Brooklyn Bridge.

The vessel, which arrived in New York on May 13, backed out from the tourist-heavy South Street Seaport, where it had been docked for several days welcoming visitors. It’s unknown if the Mexican captain requested a dock pilot to assist with the unmooring, but a harbor pilot was on board to sail it through the harbor, as required.

Tracking data from Marine Traffic and eyewitness videos show that an 1,800-horsepower tugboat, the Charles D. McAllister, gently nudged the vessel as it backed astern into the channel but dropped off before the vessel turned. Seconds later, as the ship continued drifting in the wrong direction, the tugboat tried to overtake the vessel but arrived too late to wedge itself between the fast-moving ship and the Brooklyn riverbank.

McAllister Towing, the company that would have operated the tug and been responsible for any docking pilot aboard, declined to comment.

Following last year’s crash in Baltimore, Mercogliano said, port authorities there tightened rules to require a tug escort and slower speeds for vessels sailing through the harbor entrance past the partially collapsed Francis Scott Key Bridge. The ship in that crash, the MV Dali, was a 95,000-ton container ship about 50 times heavier than the Cuauhtemoc.

Incidents in New York harbor are rare because large cargo ships and modern warships generally avoid the area due to the low height of the bridges. But in July 2026, the harbor is expected to play host to the largest-ever flotilla of tall ships from around the world to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States.

Mercogliano said investigators will evaluate whether the Mexican crew performed the recommended safety checks prior to their departure. Typically that involves testing the engine’s propellers, rudder and propulsion six to 12 hours in advance to make sure everything is working properly and nothing is left to chance.

“It’s not like your car where you’re just throwing your shifter,” he said.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat and the Senate minority leader, said any investigation should look into whether the Trump administration’s federal hiring freeze affected the U.S. Coast Guard’s staffing levels, safety procedures and accident-response readiness.

“After being fully briefed on last night’s Brooklyn Bridge accident, one thing is predominantly clear: There are more questions than answers as it relates to exactly how this accident occurred,” Schumer said.

Sydney Neidell and Lily Katz told The Associated Press they were sitting outside to watch the sunset when they saw the vessel strike the bridge.

“We saw someone dangling, and I couldn’t tell if it was just blurry or my eyes. And we were able to zoom in on our phone, and there was someone dangling from the harness from the top for like at least like 15 minutes before they were able to rescue them,” Katz said.

Just before the collision, Nick Corso took his phone out to capture the backdrop of the ship and the bridge against a sunset, Instead, he heard what sounded like the loud snapping of a “big twig.” Several more snaps followed.

People in his vicinity began running, and “pandemonium” erupted aboard the ship, he said. He later saw a handful of people dangling from a mast.

“I didn’t know what to think. I was like, is this a movie?” he said.

I think NYC may have screwed up here

We have gotten a ton of rain over the past few days in the northeast and I think that river was very high and fast. Looks like the tug was trying to push/guide it to the middle channel, but the current caught it and pulled it over to the side there and the tug couldn’t keep up.

My question if they knew these were the conditions why did they only have one tugboat?

If only they had stayed in Mexico, they would be alive.

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Originally posted by PASig:
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1923910988941689302

In this video, at about 29s, you can hear the impact of someone hitting the deck after falling from the middle mast.

You can see him falling in the background at that time signature as well.

I toured this ship during Fleet Week, some years back. I don't know if foreign vessels are still welcome but they certainly were then. It was, and is, a training ship for their small naval academy.

The casualties are likely midshipmen. Hell of an end to a senior year (for some), a career (for others), and everything (for the two killed).

On a festive occasion such as this, especially in view of the fact that it is a training vessel, crewed mostly by young persons, the yards would have been manned by the young crew in a celebration.

See - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81syPUwpY7s

Every nation that still has a 'tall ship' for teaching seamanship does it.

I don't think that taking the micky out of their tragedy is appropriate for this forum.

“taking the micky out of their tragedy“

For those unfamiliar with slang terminology from overseas (like me), this phrase means making fun of their tragedy.

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taking the micky

British expression: making fun of someone in an unkind way.

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Mexican navy cadet is first victim to be identified in Brooklyn Bridge ship collision

Excerpt: "Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Sunday in a post on X that he was fighting for answers about whether President Trump and the Department of Government Efficiency had impacted water traffic control."

Boy, they never miss an opportunity, do they?

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I don't think that taking the micky out of their tragedy is appropriate for this forum.

I agree with you.