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The squids and idiots were out in force in Charlotte today
March 26, 2017, 11:35 AM
FN in MTThe squids and idiots were out in force in Charlotte today
Drove out to the east coast for my Mom's 90th and for some other family business.
On the way here, I was appalled at some of the motorcycle idiocy I witnessed. I'm referring to out and out RECKLESS driving.
Young guys on big, sport bikes. I was passed yesterday while at 60 mph on a busy, rural south Jersey two lane , by a bike doing WELL OVER 100 mph. It was insane.
Any crash at that speed would certainly be a fatality. Hopefully these idiots don't hit anyone else.
March 26, 2017, 12:04 PM
gearhoundsquote:
This is why CCW where you can, load quickly (wink wink) where you cannot.
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buddy357In Baltimore there's a huge problem with dirt bikes and ATVs being on the road. Accidents happen regularly and they tend to travel in packs. The cops seize them, but it hasn't helped much, most of these guys don't have or can't get a license.
March 26, 2017, 01:11 PM
Mars_AttacksThose stupid crosses litter the roadside all throughout the mountains obscuring the scenery.
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March 26, 2017, 04:02 PM
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March 26, 2017, 04:14 PM
HayesGreenerquote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Maybe this will help.
There is a strong visual relationship between both things called squid in the context of foolish riding.
And is had nothing to do with a contraction of "squirrelly kid". (in the past when it was first heard used 70s)
I have seen a motorcyclist's head that looked something like that after impact
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March 26, 2017, 04:21 PM
tanksoldierquote:
So, they can be hard to catch because they are fast, small and maneuverable, but it is still a command decision to some extent; you are unable to use the tools and the skills that you have to their full extent because you are not authorized and supported.
Even if you were allowed to chase they still have to stop.
Any attempt to physically stop a bike or ATV is essentially a deadly force incident due to the high probability of a crash and injury or death.
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GEN George S. Patton, Jr. March 26, 2017, 04:57 PM
Skins2881quote:
Originally posted by tanksoldier:
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So, they can be hard to catch because they are fast, small and maneuverable, but it is still a command decision to some extent; you are unable to use the tools and the skills that you have to their full extent because you are not authorized and supported.
Even if you were allowed to chase they still have to stop.
Any attempt to physically stop a bike or ATV is essentially a deadly force incident due to the high probability of a crash and injury or death.
I'm failing to see the problem here. As long as they give them the option to stop, the criminal bears all responsibility for the resulting consequences if they continue. Pit a couple or do roadblocks/spike strips, maybe word will get out and they'll stop their antics.
Fuck em, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis March 26, 2017, 05:17 PM
rburgOh wait. None of this can be true. Reference my locked thread from a week or so ago. So bikers even came in and, like here, said they've never seen any of the bad behavior. Those folks may be blind, or more likely liars.
I'd like to thank Chongo for repeating the idea that cops just don't chase them. He repeated teh idea they can't catch them. Around here, the locals have said they don't want to because so many of the harley riders are retired cops. But they all know they can get away with their crap.
But be careful, the riders tend to group together, both here and on the roads. You dare not say anything bad about them, like they're Gods or something. Criminal gods I would submit.
But my respects to the riders who can ride that fast, often drunk. Who else rides after 2:00 AM? Anyone think they were babysitting?
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March 26, 2017, 07:08 PM
AquabirdWhen my son was 15, he wanted to get his motorcycle license and get a sportbike.
I had seen how the sportbike riders around here ride. They rode in groups and constantly tried to outdo each other. I let him get his license and then bought him a V65 Magna. Yes, it had loads of HP and was fast, but not the kind of bike that he would ride with the gangs. He did not ride with those guys. He rides responsibly now and has another bike and 1800 V twin.
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March 26, 2017, 07:24 PM
SOTARGet rid of the Helmet laws and let Darwin fix the problem. Not wearing a helmet? EMS doesn't respond.
Drones or cameras on the overpasses. Seriously enforce the offenders. Impound the vehicles, send the offenders in for hard time- smashing rocks, or digging ditches by hand. No gloves.
Get rid of the craziness that prevents enforcement of crimes. Oh wait! That would be silly! especially in today's world where illegal is a badge of honor.
/rant off
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March 26, 2017, 08:03 PM
chongosuertequote:
Originally posted by rburg:
Oh wait. None of this can be true. Reference my locked thread from a week or so ago. So bikers even came in and, like here, said they've never seen any of the bad behavior. Those folks may be blind, or more likely liars.
I'd like to thank Chongo for repeating the idea that cops just don't chase them. He repeated teh idea they can't catch them. Around here, the locals have said they don't want to because so many of the harley riders are retired cops. But they all know they can get away with their crap.
But be careful, the riders tend to group together, both here and on the roads. You dare not say anything bad about them, like they're Gods or something. Criminal gods I would submit.
But my respects to the riders who can ride that fast, often drunk. Who else rides after 2:00 AM? Anyone think they were babysitting?
Some agencies can and do chase. The NC SHP can chase. Lots of sheriff departments will chase until the wheels fall off.
But few municipalities, especially larger ones, allow chases unless for violent felonies. And some of them explicitly say in policy that motorcycles and ATVs will not be chased, period.
Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here.
Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard.
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March 26, 2017, 08:19 PM
rscalzoquote:
It seems that you could stop them
Agencies won't allow a pursuit for simple mv violations. Plus the fact that the sport bikes , even in the 600 cc range can easily outrun any units. Stopping thrum would require driving as reckless as they do.
Better to let them crash and sweep up the remains.
NYPD did crush impounded vehicles a while back.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/142340957-story quote:
Around here, the locals have said they don't want to because so many of the harley riders are retired cops. But they all know they can get away with their crap.
you saw fit to throw in a comment that has zero relevance to the topic. Where have you seen these gangs on Harleys? They are on sport bikes, dirt bikes and atv's. Yet you cite a totally different demographic with absolutely no connection to the topic. I'm guessing you don't have much experience in the area of motorcports because if you did, you'd know the vast majority of HD's will top out in the 90's. They don't outrun anyone.
March 26, 2017, 08:23 PM
Haveme1or2Wow, several from Charlotte here.
Ive not seen them either but I've heard of days being "the day" the riders hit the streets.
March 26, 2017, 08:58 PM
tanksoldierquote:
As long as they give them the option to stop, the criminal bears all responsibility for the resulting consequences if they continue.
False.
Case law clearly makes law enforcement responsible for the results of any pursuit.
It's our fault, not their fault, if they crash or if they hurt themselves or someone else. They have the right to run, we don't have the right to chase.
The liability risk of a chase is weight against the payout that will be made to the suspect or other injured party. The equations is whether possibly catching the bad guy outweighs the cost of the lawsuit that WILL happen and that the jurisdiction WILL settle without a fight... paying millions to the criminal who caused the problem in the first place.
The main reason departments don't chase is we don't want to make the criminals rich.
As soon as the general public elects legislators who change that, we'll be happy to chase criminals. Until then, no so much.
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GEN George S. Patton, Jr. March 26, 2017, 10:25 PM
WrecklessSome day the directed EMP will be used to disable the electronics of running vehicles. Some day.
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March 27, 2017, 06:26 AM
HayesGreenerMore than once I have been on the scene where innocent people were killed because some idiot ran from police. That includes officers beink killed or injured. An officer must weigh the risk of pursuit against the risk of not catching the perpetrator. The presence of other traffic is an key factor. It's simply not worth the risk to pursue in urban areas or where other traffic is present for a simple traffic violation.
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March 27, 2017, 07:02 AM
airsoft guyquote:
Originally posted by rburg:
Oh wait. None of this can be true. Reference my locked thread from a week or so ago. So bikers even came in and, like here, said they've never seen any of the bad behavior. Those folks may be blind, or more likely liars.
I'd like to thank Chongo for repeating the idea that cops just don't chase them. He repeated teh idea they can't catch them. Around here, the locals have said they don't want to because so many of the harley riders are retired cops. But they all know they can get away with their crap.
But be careful, the riders tend to group together, both here and on the roads. You dare not say anything bad about them, like they're Gods or something. Criminal gods I would submit.
But my respects to the riders who can ride that fast, often drunk. Who else rides after 2:00 AM? Anyone think they were babysitting?
I'm not the biggest fan of motorcyclists, they can be annoying, especially in a group with their retardedly loud pipes that can be heard from three counties over (and we got big counties out here). But goddamn, the hate you have for anything with fewer than four wheels, I ask this in all seriousness, which loved one did a motorcyclist screw and/or kill that caused you to build such venom for anybody on a bike?
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March 27, 2017, 07:13 AM
stickman428Rburg, that thread got locked because it offered nothing of value to the forum. Posts like that actually achieve the exact opposite result. There is a group I follow on social media that loves to find people who post shit like that then intentionally go to where those people are (their neighborhoods, houses, etc,) and crank up the ignorance and stunting to 11.
LE could catch a lot of these idiots without even letting it get to a high speed chance by monitoring social media.
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March 27, 2017, 07:56 AM
David Leequote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I was seriously/kidding.
There are ways to engage this problem.
Drones with indelible dye packs.
Use specific micro markers (like Anti-Theft Dots/microdots) in the dye.
Vendors can supply specifically "numbered" packs, so that no two are the same and each is controlled so when it is deployed, it is known date, time, location, and no matter what anyone may put on their bike, it will never match a deployed marker.
Because once it is put to use and these fools start "dye splattering" their crotch rockets as a "fad" and attempt at making the dye identification useless as "everyone has it".
Unique and controlled/tracked deployment would help against that.
Nothing will ever change, until the pain of remaining the same is greater than the pain it takes to change.
The problem exists because it is not "painful" enough for change.
Let's apply the "pain".
Truly, who believes that this infringes upon any "rights" anyone has to endanger others?
There are many sanctioned places and venues to get the rush people want.
And still anyone wanting to run the twisties and zip around can still do that, but if the po-leece try to stop and ticket you as they always have, you run, you dye.
And the other side of the coin with the groups that harass and cause obstruction, if caught, there are plenty laws that exist that can be charged against the groups. Apply them lavishly.
Skunk spray from drones..
I'm finding more uses for skunk spray today.