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| The Constable |
Drove out to the east coast for my Mom's 90th and for some other family business. On the way here, I was appalled at some of the motorcycle idiocy I witnessed. I'm referring to out and out RECKLESS driving. Young guys on big, sport bikes. I was passed yesterday while at 60 mph on a busy, rural south Jersey two lane , by a bike doing WELL OVER 100 mph. It was insane. Any crash at that speed would certainly be a fatality. Hopefully these idiots don't hit anyone else. | |||
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This is why CCW where you can, load quickly (wink wink) where you cannot. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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| TANSTAAFL |
In Baltimore there's a huge problem with dirt bikes and ATVs being on the road. Accidents happen regularly and they tend to travel in packs. The cops seize them, but it hasn't helped much, most of these guys don't have or can't get a license. | |||
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Raptorman |
Those stupid crosses litter the roadside all throughout the mountains obscuring the scenery. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Unhyphenated American |
While I carry, unless I am going to or coming from work, less lethal options are preferable to me. Quickly incapacitates, you can't assault, what you can't see. https://www.lumaforce.com/prod...ht-weapons-mountable __________________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. Richard M Nixon It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. Billy Joe Shaver NRA Life Member | |||
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I have seen a motorcyclist's head that looked something like that after impact CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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I Wanna Missile |
Even if you were allowed to chase they still have to stop. Any attempt to physically stop a bike or ATV is essentially a deadly force incident due to the high probability of a crash and injury or death. "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. | |||
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Ammoholic |
I'm failing to see the problem here. As long as they give them the option to stop, the criminal bears all responsibility for the resulting consequences if they continue. Pit a couple or do roadblocks/spike strips, maybe word will get out and they'll stop their antics. Fuck em, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
Oh wait. None of this can be true. Reference my locked thread from a week or so ago. So bikers even came in and, like here, said they've never seen any of the bad behavior. Those folks may be blind, or more likely liars. I'd like to thank Chongo for repeating the idea that cops just don't chase them. He repeated teh idea they can't catch them. Around here, the locals have said they don't want to because so many of the harley riders are retired cops. But they all know they can get away with their crap. But be careful, the riders tend to group together, both here and on the roads. You dare not say anything bad about them, like they're Gods or something. Criminal gods I would submit. But my respects to the riders who can ride that fast, often drunk. Who else rides after 2:00 AM? Anyone think they were babysitting? Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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When my son was 15, he wanted to get his motorcycle license and get a sportbike. I had seen how the sportbike riders around here ride. They rode in groups and constantly tried to outdo each other. I let him get his license and then bought him a V65 Magna. Yes, it had loads of HP and was fast, but not the kind of bike that he would ride with the gangs. He did not ride with those guys. He rides responsibly now and has another bike and 1800 V twin. NRA Life Endowment member Tri-State Gun collectors Life Member | |||
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Get rid of the Helmet laws and let Darwin fix the problem. Not wearing a helmet? EMS doesn't respond. Drones or cameras on the overpasses. Seriously enforce the offenders. Impound the vehicles, send the offenders in for hard time- smashing rocks, or digging ditches by hand. No gloves. Get rid of the craziness that prevents enforcement of crimes. Oh wait! That would be silly! especially in today's world where illegal is a badge of honor. /rant off __________________________ My door is always open to Sigforum members, and I'm always willing to help if I can. | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Some agencies can and do chase. The NC SHP can chase. Lots of sheriff departments will chase until the wheels fall off. But few municipalities, especially larger ones, allow chases unless for violent felonies. And some of them explicitly say in policy that motorcycles and ATVs will not be chased, period. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
Agencies won't allow a pursuit for simple mv violations. Plus the fact that the sport bikes , even in the 600 cc range can easily outrun any units. Stopping thrum would require driving as reckless as they do. Better to let them crash and sweep up the remains. NYPD did crush impounded vehicles a while back. http://www.fox5ny.com/news/142340957-story
you saw fit to throw in a comment that has zero relevance to the topic. Where have you seen these gangs on Harleys? They are on sport bikes, dirt bikes and atv's. Yet you cite a totally different demographic with absolutely no connection to the topic. I'm guessing you don't have much experience in the area of motorcports because if you did, you'd know the vast majority of HD's will top out in the 90's. They don't outrun anyone. | |||
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Wow, several from Charlotte here. Ive not seen them either but I've heard of days being "the day" the riders hit the streets. | |||
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| I Wanna Missile |
False. Case law clearly makes law enforcement responsible for the results of any pursuit. It's our fault, not their fault, if they crash or if they hurt themselves or someone else. They have the right to run, we don't have the right to chase. The liability risk of a chase is weight against the payout that will be made to the suspect or other injured party. The equations is whether possibly catching the bad guy outweighs the cost of the lawsuit that WILL happen and that the jurisdiction WILL settle without a fight... paying millions to the criminal who caused the problem in the first place. The main reason departments don't chase is we don't want to make the criminals rich. As soon as the general public elects legislators who change that, we'll be happy to chase criminals. Until then, no so much. "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. | |||
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Some day the directed EMP will be used to disable the electronics of running vehicles. Some day. La Dolce Vita | |||
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More than once I have been on the scene where innocent people were killed because some idiot ran from police. That includes officers beink killed or injured. An officer must weigh the risk of pursuit against the risk of not catching the perpetrator. The presence of other traffic is an key factor. It's simply not worth the risk to pursue in urban areas or where other traffic is present for a simple traffic violation. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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The Joy Maker |
I'm not the biggest fan of motorcyclists, they can be annoying, especially in a group with their retardedly loud pipes that can be heard from three counties over (and we got big counties out here). But goddamn, the hate you have for anything with fewer than four wheels, I ask this in all seriousness, which loved one did a motorcyclist screw and/or kill that caused you to build such venom for anybody on a bike? 
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| Official forum SIG Pro enthusiast  |
Rburg, that thread got locked because it offered nothing of value to the forum. Posts like that actually achieve the exact opposite result. There is a group I follow on social media that loves to find people who post shit like that then intentionally go to where those people are (their neighborhoods, houses, etc,) and crank up the ignorance and stunting to 11. LE could catch a lot of these idiots without even letting it get to a high speed chance by monitoring social media. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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| 7.62mm Crusader |
Skunk spray from drones..  I'm finding more uses for skunk spray today. | |||
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