Originally posted by Elk Hunter: So a box of grenades was so poorly secured to the vehicle that it simply fell off during vehicle movement.
And, I am forced to wonder how a SF team manages to screw up this badly.
Been a lot of years since I was in the army, but I can say with certainty that this would not have happened back then.
The ARMY MP's had their pistols attached to their duty belts with lanyards for decades - so they would not lose or misplace them.
May 13, 2018, 07:48 PM
Sigmund
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO: AF Security Forces - where you need a complete specialty to learn how to shoot an M16 and complain about standing lots of guard duty.
OK, since you're making fun of the AF, here's a Minot incident from 2007 that was FAR worse. Several generals and I think Sec AF got fired. I don't think Security Forces were to blame at all.
When I first heard about this I said "No way could that many people be that...sloppy." I was wrong.
May 13, 2018, 08:45 PM
FN in MT
I've posted this before...My Hwy patrol area of responsibility had about 2 dozen missile silos scattered , in and around me. Saw the Security units from Malmstrom AFB all the time.
This was the mid 80's and they were still using mostly the little armored vehicles, with an M-60 in a roof mount.
One shift I see one of the Peacekeeper vehicles take a corner, headed out to a silo up on Rt 287. Off the roof, there goes an M-60! It skitters across the edge of the road, into the ditch. Some grass and dirt , but really unharmed.
I pick it up, it's unloaded, no belt anyway. Lean it against the passenger seat in the car and head northbound to catch these guys. Just past the Hutterite Colony there they are , just pulling up to the gate by one of the Silos.
I pull in and get out, as I don't want them to see the 60 on the seat. A 2 LT approaches and politely greets me.
I tell him I found something of theirs and it's in the car. I do recall I had to coax him to take a look. To say he turned PALE when he saw the 60 is an understatement.
We chatted, told him we (The Agency) always had a good relationship with the USAF and their Security guys and this incident would go no further.
I will never forget the surprised looks when he went back and got the 3 others out of the vehicle to retrieve the M-60.
May 13, 2018, 09:18 PM
ARMT Guy
Sounds to me, like they had the tail gate down on their Humvee, loaded the ammo cans in the back and for some reason, left the tail gate down and took off down the road.
Whatever happened, I'm not surprised by this. Back in my green suite days, I personally came upon a rather nice, intact case of linked 7.62 ball one day while cruising down the tank trail headed to a qual range. I mean, just smack dab in the middle of the road.
Turns out, one of the Humvees from our ground scout Troop had lost it due to someone leaving it on the rear fender while loading several of these cases into their truck. Carelessness on the part of the Humvee's crew.
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May 13, 2018, 11:34 PM
onegeek
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Originally posted by ASKSmith: ..... Only way to make them work is a belt fed MK19.
Right now, Bubba is saying “Hold my beer....”
May 14, 2018, 12:18 AM
YooperSigs
I am Ex USAF Security Police. Here are a few war stories: 1- If you fell asleep on post and were considered a non-hacker, you would mysteriously lose the BCG from from your M16. This would be discovered when you were relieved. And you were GONE! This also worked for the S&W Model 15, just involved losing the ammo. 2- The tactic of everyone looking for lost gear is time honored. One of my fellow troops once lost a Motorola radio. The entire Security flight was put on a line and the search was on. The best part was our Security Control called over the air "Security Control to the lost radio" repeatedly. You know, so we could hear the lost radio! 3- During the winter, the Priority B ramp (the large concrete ramp for non alert KCs and B52s) would become covered in ice and snow. We would pull the plastic engine covers off the aircraft and attach them by their ropes to the pintle hook on our truck. One of the troops would sit on the engine cover and another would ride in the truck bed. Accelerate to a terrifying speed, cut the wheel sharply and at the optimum moment, release the pintle. Zing! USAF Luge! I believe that competing in USAF Luge, if caught, was an all expense paid trip to Leavenworth. Unless things have changed drastically, those responsible for losing the grenades will suffer for it. Sleep soundly, America! Your nukes are well guarded! Disclaimer: When I was on the ramp, SAC was still in the shadow of its warrior father: Curtis Lemay. We had some fun but the consequences were dire for incompetence. A nuke access policy called the "Human Reliability Program" ensured strict compliance with nuke policy. Violate it and you lost your "HRP" status. Without HRP status you had no access to nukes and for SAC Security Police, that meant you were gone.This message has been edited. Last edited by: YooperSigs,
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May 14, 2018, 04:41 AM
limblessbiff
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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
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Originally posted by Elk Hunter: So a box of grenades was so poorly secured to the vehicle that it simply fell off during vehicle movement.
And, I am forced to wonder how a SF team manages to screw up this badly.
Been a lot of years since I was in the army, but I can say with certainty that this would not have happened back then.
The ARMY MP's had their pistols attached to their duty belts with lanyards for decades - so they would not lose or misplace them.
We still had those fucking lanyards when I was in.. I got out in 2012, I actually saw a guy who dropped his M9 in the porta john.. yanked it right out by the lanyard so I guess they can come in handy lol
May 14, 2018, 06:12 AM
SgtGold
Out of all the controlled and sensitive items it's been my misfortune to search for, searching for a CEOI in Germany was by far the most stressful. The NCO who lost it was facing at minimum a field grade 15 with 45/45 & loss of a stripe, with the very real potential for far worse. We found it.
Then there was the time the motor pool 'lost' an M85......
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May 14, 2018, 06:21 AM
Ronin101
I'm pretty sure these would fire in an m203 correct!!?
Its on the reservation..so who knows where it went!!!!
May 14, 2018, 07:14 AM
Ricardokid11
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Originally posted by Zacsquatch:
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Originally posted by Elk Hunter: So a box of grenades was so poorly secured to the vehicle that it simply fell off during vehicle movement.
And, I am forced to wonder how a SF team manages to screw up this badly.
Been a lot of years since I was in the army, but I can say with certainty that this would not have happened back then.
They are not Special Forces, they are air force MP’s.
The Air Force does not have MP's, they have AP's, Air Police, which was later changed to SF. Security Forces
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May 14, 2018, 07:20 AM
Gustofer
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Originally posted by Ricardokid11:
The Air Force does not have MP's, they have AP's, Air Police, which was later changed to SF. Security Forces
Used to be SP's.
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May 14, 2018, 07:32 AM
ArtieS
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Then there was the time the motor pool 'lost' an M85......
We used to have soldiers "lose" M9s pretty regularly on field problems.
They always got found by the 3rd day of lockdown.
Usually they were tossed through the flap of the 1sg's tent.
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May 14, 2018, 11:46 AM
dewhorse
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Originally posted by ARMT Guy: Sounds to me, like they had the tail gate down on their Humvee, loaded the ammo cans in the back and for some reason, left the tail gate down and took off down the road.
Whatever happened, I'm not surprised by this. Back in my green suite days, I personally came upon a rather nice, intact case of linked 7.62 ball one day while cruising down the tank trail headed to a qual range. I mean, just smack dab in the middle of the road.
Turns out, one of the Humvees from our ground scout Troop had lost it due to someone leaving it on the rear fender while loading several of these cases into their truck. Carelessness on the part of the Humvee's crew.
Yup, not surprising Airman Joe Snuffy did you latch the tail gate....
Sure did sgt. .....
May 14, 2018, 11:52 AM
Trooperdan
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Originally posted by Ronin101: I'm pretty sure these would fire in an m203 correct!!?
Its on the reservation..so who knows where it went!!!!
Nope, different round. The Mk19 round has a range of about 1 kilometer Vs the 400 m range of a M203.
May 14, 2018, 12:35 PM
CD228
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Originally posted by Ronin101: I'm pretty sure these would fire in an m203 correct!!?
Its on the reservation..so who knows where it went!!!!
Try it. Just film it so we can use it for the safety briefings and memorial service later.
Allegedly, the MK-19 rounds are longer and higher pressure. Supposedly the M203 can't take the pressure of a MK-19 round. But, I've never witnessed anyone try it, so I could be completely wrong.
