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They want to start the day "as a fully inclusive and connected community".

IIRC, charter schools are publicly funded. Maybe they need to be unfunded if they don't like America and what we stand for.

RMD

I wouldn't send my kid to any school that makes a spectacle of the Pledge of Allegiance. They are teaching those kids that there is something wrong with being an American.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:


They want to start the day "as a fully inclusive and connected community".

IIRC, charter schools are publicly funded. Maybe they need to be unfunded if they don't like America and what we stand for.

RMD

All public schools sre publicly funded and apparently don’t like what America or what it stands for.

The public schools also do a lousy job at great expense. Why not “unfund” them all and try something else?

Sadly, with the way the liberals are gaining ground, this will be the norm.

The GDCs in charge of public “schools” are no longer afraid to show their true colors, which ought to be of concern to anyone who cares about the United States we knew.

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All public schools sre publicly funded and apparently don’t like what America or what it stands for.

The public schools also do a lousy job at great expense. Why not “unfund” them all and try something else?

That's painting with a pretty broad brush. I like the schools in my little town. My kids are entering first and second grade.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:

They want to start the day "as a fully inclusive and connected community".

Then they should say the Pledge of Allegiance together.



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The Charter high school I taught at 6 years ago didn’t do the pledge either...this is nothing new.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong btw. I grew up saying it each morning.

Then there’s the whole argument if there should be a pledge at all.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
All public schools sre publicly funded and apparently don’t like what America or what it stands for.

The public schools also do a lousy job at great expense. Why not “unfund” them all and try something else?

That's painting with a pretty broad brush. I like the schools in my little town. My kids are entering first and second grade.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Not your babies!

I say close the schools, sell the properties, let the teachers go elsewhere, and have the kids go to whatever educational outlets the parents chose. A state voucher to ease the transition.

You will like that a lot better, trust me.

How would the kids get to go where ever the parents choose?

They’d all choose the best school..which is why most charter schools have lotteries, because so many parents don’t want their kids going to public schools.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

I say close the schools, sell the properties, let the teachers go elsewhere, and have the kids go to whatever educational outlets the parents chose. A state voucher to ease the transition.

You will like that a lot better, trust me.

Absolutely.



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I started in grade school in the mid 70s. We said the pledge daily to start the day. By the middle of the 5th grade, it stopped. There was no explanation to us kids. One day we said it, the next we didn't. It didn't matter what we wanted, that's just how it was. This was in north central Kansas.

Now, my kids are in school and they say it. I have one that is in 6th grade and has done so every day of his schol career in schools of western Kentucky, middle Tennessee, east of Atlanta and southwest of Atlanta in Georgia. He is currently at a charter school.

I say all that to say, it is a decsion made by the principal or school administration. It doesn't happen at EVERY public school be it charter or not.

Getting twisted up about it if your child isn't enrolled on the school seems like a lot of hand wringing with no change in outcome.

Now, if your child is enrolled there and you don't like it, what are you going to do? Will you organize something pulling others with your views together so that concerns can be voiced to the school?

Maybe they're Confederates?

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

I say close the schools, sell the properties, let the teachers go elsewhere, and have the kids go to whatever educational outlets the parents chose. A state voucher to ease the transition.

You will like that a lot better, trust me.

Absolutely.

So how would transportation work? I live in a pretty rural area where everything is pretty widely disbursed. I am thinking of the logistics of getting all those kids in the same neighborhoods to all of the different schools? That sounds like a lot of busing. I am not positive, but I don't think the charter schools in our area provide busing. What are 2 working parents to do? Driving kids to and from school each day isn't really an option, at least not for my wife and I.

The devil is in the details!

The schools around here say the pledge every day. It's broadcast over the intercoms. A different child gets a turn leading it every day. They also have a ceremony for Veterans day every year outside. The local scouts participate in the ceremony. I know because I am a den leader. We say the pledge at every scout function as well. Pack meeting are held in the elementary school gym, where we also recite the pledge.

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How would the kids get to go where ever the parents choose?

They’d all choose the best school..which is why most charter schools have lotteries, because so many parents don’t want their kids going to public schools.

The schools would be closed. Private organizations could offer whatever programs they think will attract students. Students will have to do what the program requires or go elsewhere.

Some will be academic. Others will emphasize trade school curriculum, or semi professional, dental techs, nurses, agricultural, etc. Some will emphasize practical topics, like filling out welfare forms, maximizing government handouts on a budget, rent chiseling, etc. what to demand of a probation officer.

Making children recite the pledge has always given me pause. I just don't think we should be forcing young children that don't understand the meaning behind the pledge to recite it every morning.

Maybe after a certain age and once they've studied it in a history class or something, but I still think reciting it every day is too much. Maybe on the first Monday of the month or something, but not every day.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
How would the kids get to go where ever the parents choose?

They’d all choose the best school..which is why most charter schools have lotteries, because so many parents don’t want their kids going to public schools.

The schools would be closed. Private organizations could offer whatever programs they think will attract students. Students will have to do what the program requires or go elsewhere.

Some will be academic. Others will emphasize trade school curriculum, or semi professional, dental techs, nurses, agricultural, etc. Some will emphasize practical topics, like filling out welfare forms, maximizing government handouts on a budget, rent chiseling, etc. what to demand of a probation officer.

Well that’s not gonna happen. Close the schools? That’s silly.

This is a recipe for corruption. We’re seeing it in Philly now. There’s a few charter schools that are doing great (the one I worked for was being run by lawyers...if you get bored, google Franklin Towne Charter High School and delve deep into the issues).

In Philly, you can pay the money to go to a Catholic School (whether you’re catholic or not)....this ensures a mostly rigorous education with lots of discipline (however, standards have been lowered to keep funding up). Or go public where you’re fucked and gonna get beat up.

Or go Charter...which is a gamble.

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“Over the past couple of years, it has become increasingly obvious that more and more of our community were choosing to not stand or recite the pledge ,” Atlanta Neighborhood Charter School elementary campus president Lara Zelski said in a statement.

Administrators are nixing the morning Pledge of Allegiance in favor of an alternative “school pledge,” and will continue to require its students to stand for the school’s Wolf Pack Chant , according to Zelski’s statement.

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Looks like while participating in the Pledge of Allegiance has become optional, administrators are drawing the line at sitting out the 'Wolf Pack Chant' and will continue to require standing for same.

What is wrong with these people?

Is the Pledge mandatory?

That's the thing with charted schools, it's about providing options and choice. Don't like the school"s stance on the pledge, send your kids to a different school. That said our daughter went to a charted school K-6. They offered a back to basics curriculum and every day started with the pledge.