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If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment

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August 07, 2021, 09:19 AM
Flash-LB
If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment
https://www.marketwatch.com/st...287814?siteid=yhoof2

If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment

“Typically, an employee who is terminated for failing to comply with company policies is not eligible for unemployment benefits, which would include refusing to comply with a company’s COVID-19 prevention policies, masking requirements or vaccine requirements,” Ackels told MarketWatch.

But an employee who has proof of a medical exemption or religious objection to receiving a COVID-19 vaccine may still be eligible to collect unemployment benefits if fired, said Rebecca Dixon, executive director at the National Employment Law Project, a nonprofit that advocates for worker’s rights.

Otherwise, refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine, if your employer requires one, “is akin to an employee’s refusal to submit to permissible drug tests or participate in safety trainings,” said Ronald Zambrano, employment law chair at West Coast Trial Lawyers, a Los Angeles–based law firm. That is, such an employee, when terminated, would not qualify for unemployment benefits, Zambrano said.
August 07, 2021, 09:51 AM
ZSMICHAEL
If you are the employer it is your rules. Simple as that.
August 07, 2021, 09:53 AM
a1abdj
quote:
If you are the employer it is your rules. Simple as that.



It's actually not.

It would be simple as that if it were really the case, but it seems that others (including the government) get to pick and choose what rules you're allowed to have.


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August 07, 2021, 10:07 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
If you are the employer it is your rules. Simple as that.

Employment at will assumes strict adherence to private property laws. But private property is becoming an illusory concept. How can Joe Biden unilaterally tell property owners that renters who don't pay rent (and become squatters) cannot be evicted from the owner's property?

We no longer live in a country where private property truly exists.
And the tyrants want to use the doctrine of "Employment at will" to create a two-tiered society, dividing the unvaccinated from all opportunity to participate in society.





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August 07, 2021, 10:19 AM
ZSMICHAEL
I guess I am just tired of paying for others to not work. The extended unemployment benefits were beyond the pale.
August 07, 2021, 10:25 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I guess I am just tired of paying for others to not work. The extended unemployment benefits were beyond the pale.

These are people who want to work but are fired for not taking the jab. They are told they cannot work.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
August 07, 2021, 10:29 AM
sigfreund
In Colorado there are many situations in which someone is fired and may still be able to collect unemployment benefits. In a very limited search I didn’t find anything that addressed being fired for refusing to get vaccinated, but if in that situation I wouldn’t assume anything.




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August 07, 2021, 10:36 AM
MelissaDallas
Texas cautions employers about mandating vaccine

https://www.wfaa.com/video/mon...0d-9f8a-89f939116fe8
August 07, 2021, 10:43 AM
ZSMICHAEL
quote:
These are people who want to work but are fired for not taking the jab. They are told they cannot work.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Perhaps.
August 07, 2021, 10:47 AM
Lefty Sig
In employment at will states, being fired for cause generally denies unemployment. Cause is a violation of policy - stealing, falsifying records, harassment, etc. Being fired because you are not needed or doing a poor job is not cause.

The big question is if a vaccine under emergency use authorization can be mandated. From the text of the emergency authorization law, I do not think the government can mandate it because it expressly states that patients must be informed that they are not required to take it and can decline. Once the vaccines are fully authorized they can be mandated for public schools, and anywhere else long standing vaccination precedents apply. Whether or not an employer can mandate a vaccine, especially under emergency use authorization, is something that has not been tested in the courts - but we are guaranteed that when it is we will get different decisions from different judges and it will have to go to Appeals and then SCOTUS to get sorted out.

How hard is it to get a doctor or clergyman to write you an exception?
August 07, 2021, 10:50 AM
ensigmatic
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
We no longer live in a country where private property truly exists.

Ain't that the truth Frown



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