How important is motherboard choice to a long lasting computer build?

August 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mark123:
I need something for editing 4K video and the i5 laptop isn't up to the task. I've only got the case and video card so far. I think I'm going with a Ryzen 7 3700x unless there's a better choice for the same loot ($283.55). The motherboard I chose was an MSI B450-A Pro but it is no longer available. Apparently, some folks don't seem to like MSI anyway so I'm wondering if I should go with something else. I've used Asus and Gigabyte motherboards for everything I've cobble's together so far.

Is MSI ok? Should I go with something else? The recent version of the MSI (B550-A) is about $60 more than the B450-A was.

Motherboard suggestions welcome.

I just built a PC with a Ryzen 3700x and a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra. Great combo, but motherboard prices have gone crazy lately.

August 11, 2020, 04:11 PM

sig2392

Anyone that uses a Chinese Motherboard gets what they deserve.

One million Asus motherboards were hacked with software delivered by Asus update system.

It was supposedly done by outside hackers.

Its a Chinese company with Chinese government oversight.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/...n-check-if-affected/

Lenovo laptops have been caught phoning home.

This is why I stick with US computers and parts.

If you keep only data on it you don't care if the Chinese get it, it doesn't matter.

August 11, 2020, 04:15 PM

trapper189

^^^Could you provide an example of a US made motherboard?

Also, ASUS is and always has been a Taiwanese company.

August 11, 2020, 04:21 PM

mark123

quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
Anyone that uses a Chinese Motherboard gets what they deserve.

One million Asus motherboards were hacked with software delivered by Asus update system.

It was supposedly done by outside hackers.

Its a Chinese company with Chinese government oversight.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/...n-check-if-affected/

Lenovo laptops have been caught phoning home.

This is why I stick with US computers and parts.

If you keep only data on it you don't care if the Chinese get it, it doesn't matter.

Wouldn't the computer have to be connected to the internet to be hacked?

August 11, 2020, 05:07 PM

sig2392

Yes they need to be connected to the internet to be hacked or to call home.

Any wired or wife connection would work.

August 11, 2020, 05:14 PM

sig2392

from my memory, Intel, AMI, super micro.

I would also trust HP and Dell wherever they are made, for now.

August 11, 2020, 08:09 PM

Kenpoist

quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
from my memory, Intel, AMI, super micro.

I would also trust HP and Dell wherever they are made, for now.

Do Dell and HP sell Mobos, aside from repair, etc?

August 12, 2020, 06:00 AM

mark123

quote:
Originally posted by smschulz:
I build and support computers for a living.
First, I would never build one AMD based.
Intel is so much better as a company and their product is first class.
...

I've only ever used intel before but, from what I can see, for video processing they can't touch the performance of the Ryzen processors at any price point. I could be wrong though. I may jump up to a Ryzen 9 but that's a lot of loot

I don't need the ability to overclock or onboard raid. It's going to be used for video recording/processing and audio recording and mixing. It can be stripped down beyond that. No gaming or internet stuff is really necessary.

August 12, 2020, 06:29 AM

sig2392

I also stick with Intel.

Here is the latest benchmarks.

You can save money on AMD, but not much, in performance vs price.

It's a Hertz Avis thing.
Hertz was always number one and Avis was always trying harder to keep up.

https://www.tomshardware.com/r...-hierarchy,4312.html

August 12, 2020, 06:52 AM

trapper189

quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
Anyone that uses a Chinese Motherboard gets what they deserve.

One million Asus motherboards were hacked with software delivered by Asus update system.

It was supposedly done by outside hackers.

Its a Chinese company with Chinese government oversight.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/...n-check-if-affected/

Lenovo laptops have been caught phoning home.

This is why I stick with US computers and parts.

If you keep only data on it you don't care if the Chinese get it, it doesn't matter.

quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
from my memory, Intel, AMI, super micro.

I would also trust HP and Dell wherever they are made, for now.

Intel left the desktop motherboard business 4-7 years ago. AMI hasn't made a motherboard in at least as many years. Supermicro's motherboards are made in China and Taiwan. Again, ASUS is a Taiwanese company.

I'll ask again, what US made desktop gaming motherboards can you recommend? Otherwise your posts on the subject are irrelevant wastes of time and space. Mark isn't asking for a history lesson.

August 12, 2020, 10:59 AM

mark123

quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
I also stick with Intel.

Here is the latest benchmarks.

You can save money on AMD, but not much, in performance vs price.

It's a Hertz Avis thing.
Hertz was always number one and Avis was always trying harder to keep up.

https://www.tomshardware.com/r...-hierarchy,4312.html

AMD isn't trying to keep up though. They have pulled ahead. For video the main spec I'm looking for is thread count and AMD has a lock on that. As I've said before though, I could be very wrong.

August 12, 2020, 11:37 AM

LBTRS

quote:
Originally posted by mark123:
quote:
Originally posted by sig2392:
I also stick with Intel.

Here is the latest benchmarks.

You can save money on AMD, but not much, in performance vs price.

It's a Hertz Avis thing.
Hertz was always number one and Avis was always trying harder to keep up.

https://www.tomshardware.com/r...-hierarchy,4312.html
AMD isn't trying to keep up though. They have pulled ahead. For video the main spec I'm looking for is thread count and AMD has a lock on that. As I've said before though, I could be very wrong.

You're not wrong, It is like Android and iPhone. There are those that will defend one over the other regardless which one is a better choice for a particular person.

Also, AMD processors are not the same as there were several years ago.

The recommendation came from someone that also recommended HP and Dell motherboards which are not sold individually. I find it hard to believe that someone would recommend proprietary HP or Dell systems to someone wanting to build their own machine.

If you look at the link he posted and view the multi thread rankings it illustrates you're making the right choice. You didn't ask about gaming which is what he's attempting to use to justify intel over amd. You're looking at 4k video editing which will benefit from the multi-threaded advantage that the Ryzen will provide.

I'd go with the MSI Tomahawk with the b550 chipset. It will allow you to upgrade the CPU to the 4th gen if you find you're needing more CPU in a few years.

What you're looking at will serve you well.

August 12, 2020, 02:13 PM

smschulz

quote:
Originally posted by mark123:

I've only ever used intel before but, from what I can see, for video processing they can't touch the performance of the Ryzen processors at any price point. I could be wrong though.

You are.
If you NEED any advanced Graphics say for gaming or CAD then you should get a separate Graphics Card designed for the purpose.

https://www.pcpartguide.com/gpu-for-video-editing/

Additionally, there are other components that affect performance not just the CPU.

August 12, 2020, 02:38 PM

DonDraper

I prefer Gigabyte boards, very well made. Motherboard is definitely important, but there are a ton of quality brands.

The power supply is just as important IMO. Do not skimp on your PSU.

August 13, 2020, 07:49 AM

DonDraper

https://youtu.be/BmtBc_nyJw8

Watch a few of this nerd's videos about motherboard. Very informative.

October 18, 2020, 08:13 AM

mark123

Ok, secondary question. What am I gaining between a Gigabyte Aorus B450 and Aorus X570 besides features?

quote:
Originally posted by smschulz:
You are.
If you NEED any advanced Graphics say for gaming or CAD then you should get a separate Graphics Card designed for the purpose.

https://www.pcpartguide.com/gpu-for-video-editing/

Additionally, there are other components that affect performance not just the CPU.

From the limited research I've done, the conclusion is that for video processing the number of threads matters far more than a video card.

October 18, 2020, 08:34 AM

joel9507

quote:
Originally posted by mark123:
Ok, secondary question. What am I gaining between a Gigabyte Aorus B450 and Aorus X570 besides features and price?

Not sure what you're looking for here....is there something other than features and price that would help you make the call?

There is a feature on the Gigabyte site where you can select specific MBs and then a window comes up with a link to compare features of the selected MBs. Not knowing which specific products within those families you were/are looking at, I picked two with similar descriptions and here's how those two compared: link: Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro WIFI vs X579 Aorus Pro Wifi Link

They differ in which AMD chipset they are based on, and in a lot of the other features going down the page. I don't recall what OS you were looking for, but if that matters to you, the B450 supports both Windows 7 (separately downloaded tool required) and Windows 10 while the X570 only supports Windows 10.

Having a bunch of non-subscription-licensed, perfectly functional software that does not support Win10, I will be on Windows 7 as long as binary has ones and zeros (or until hardware supporting it has let out all the smoke that keeps it working.) So for me, the X570 would have been off the table. I don't know if you are already on Windows 10 with a platform of editing tools all nice and new, or working with a bunch of legacy sw and just looking to give them a new home, but if it's the latter, you may want to see how much OS flexibility your suite of tools gives you - it could be you don't have much.

Anyway, hopefully that feature comparison thing from Gigabyte helps you. There are bunch of feature differentiators in that autogenerated table. And if those aren't the specific MBs you were thinking of (and they're probably not - Gigabyte has a LOT of products within those families) you can generate your own customized version from their motherboard web page.

October 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

mark123

quote:
Originally posted by joel9507:
quote:
Originally posted by mark123:
Ok, secondary question. What am I gaining between a Gigabyte Aorus B450 and Aorus X570 besides features and price?

Not sure what you're looking for here....is there something other than features and price that would help you make the call?

There is a feature on the Gigabyte site where you can select specific MBs and then a window comes up with a link to compare features of the selected MBs. Not knowing which specific products within those families you were/are looking at, I picked two with similar descriptions and here's how those two compared: link: Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro WIFI vs X579 Aorus Pro Wifi Link

They differ in which AMD chipset they are based on, and in a lot of the other features going down the page. I don't recall what OS you were looking for, but if that matters to you, the B450 supports both Windows 7 (separately downloaded tool required) and Windows 10 while the X570 only supports Windows 10.

Having a bunch of non-subscription-licensed, perfectly functional software that does not support Win10, I will be on Windows 7 as long as binary has ones and zeros (or until hardware supporting it has let out all the smoke that keeps it working.) So for me, the X570 would have been off the table. I don't know if you are already on Windows 10 with a platform of editing tools all nice and new, or working with a bunch of legacy sw and just looking to give them a new home, but if it's the latter, you may want to see how much OS flexibility your suite of tools gives you - it could be you don't have much.

Anyway, hopefully that feature comparison thing from Gigabyte helps you. There are bunch of feature differentiators in that autogenerated table. And if those aren't the specific MBs you were thinking of (and they're probably not - Gigabyte has a LOT of products within those families) you can generate your own customized version from their motherboard web page.

thanks. That's exactly what I was asking for.

October 18, 2020, 11:44 AM

CQB60

I build around my chipset & work myway down after that. MB’s must have the ability to support future upgrades..

October 18, 2020, 07:59 PM

mark123

I put my wife's computer together this afternoon. I bought the stuff for hers first because I wanted to make sure everything would work for my video editing rig. Everything did except for the video card. It was too long to allow the USB3 connector to fit on the motherboard.

This means I'm going to have to get a different motherboard with the connectors away from the PCI slots.

Let me tell you a Ryzen 5 (6 cores/12 threads) with an NVMe drive boots up in about 6 seconds and so far nothing slows it down.

Edit - ok, i exaggerated. It's 13 seconds.