This is shocking to me.

"Some 175,000 people now actively work for Mexico’s smuggling cartels, according to a shocking estimate that would make cartels the country’s fifth-largest private employer."

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"President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to take a heavy hand to the cartels. That includes designating them as foreign terrorist organizations and potentially deploying the U.S. military to conduct operations against cartels."

I am not down with this! Keep our boys (and girls) home, just defend the fucking border. With drones and tech, and a military that can go home to their kids at night. Exceptionally doable task.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...th-largest-employer/

I don’t know. 175,000 strong, endless supply of money, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands yearly, something needs to happen.

I'm with you on this Rogue. No military into Mexico? Deploy on the border and if any incursion or fire comes across the border return overwhelming fire back across the border and destroy the target.

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I don’t know. 175,000 strong, endless supply of money, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands yearly, something needs to happen.

Agreed, the Mexican government should handle it.

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The Mexican government is infested with the cartels and many politicians owe them or are members themselves.
I agree, we don't need to go there but we do need to cause a big change there.

Yes, with 175K votes to deploy, the Mex. Govt. is not going to do anything to piss off the cartels. It is the cartels' wet dream to bring the same kind of power and ubiquity to US politics, and there seems to be no drought of elected officials willing to accommodate them.

Need to put a major dent in the US' demand for drugs and there would be less drug cartel employees. A good start would be mandatory drug testing to receive federal .gov handouts. Taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing people who have money for drugs.

Seems low. I thought there were single cartels about that size.

At times, the Windsors were a drug cartel, more or less. Unchecked villainy doesn’t stop growing.

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Need to put a major dent in the US' demand for drugs and there would be less drug cartel employees. A good start would be mandatory drug testing to receive federal .gov handouts. Taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing people who have money for drugs.

THIS is absolutely what should happen!

The Mexican government is corrupt to its core and its action (or inaction) with Cartels and porous US border constitute an active threat to the security and safety of the US. Start actively gathering intel on Cartel leadership and supported infrastructure. Once confirmed, cruise missile the scum.

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Agreed, the Mexican government should handle it.

The Mexican government is infested with the cartels and many politicians owe them or are members themselves.
I agree, we don't need to go there but we do need to cause a big change there.

Agreed again. Change it by effectively severing the flow of product and invaders at the border. As much money as it takes, but not one child of America forced to fight and surely, in many cases to die in Mexico.

The Indian reservations here have problems with them. With the drugs use they have cartels on the reservations to drop ship to the small towns in AZ. As long as there is a market for drugs the problem isn't going away. The counsels on the reservation are most likely getting paid off so there is no reason to get rid of cartels.

I'm surprised they are not number 2, with the government being number 1. Although it's hard to really distinguish between the two.

Yeah, but do they offer a pension or decent 401k??

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Originally posted by TBH:
I don’t know. 175,000 strong, endless supply of money, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands yearly, something needs to happen.

Agreed, the Mexican government should handle it.

Imagine this scenario:
So, here you are, Sgt Jose' Mierda-de-Ragman in the Mexican Army, making $8.5K (USD) a year.
That aint shit even with the exchange rate from USD to Peso and cost of living in Mexico. Hanging out at a bar with some friends from work.

Enter stage right-
Imagine me as El Chappo, or whoever is running that area of Mexico you work in.

"Yo, Jose', You want to make some extra dinero?"

So, your two answers would be: Si or No

Option one is "Si"

"Si, Senior"
I now own you. There's not really a good retirement plan for the Mexican Military, or Cartel workers.
Sure, the money is WAY better than being a Sgt in the Mexican Army, but you don't own your soul. Not that you had much of a choice. But at least you're getting paid, and can do better for your family.


Behind Door numero dos is: No

"No, El Jeffe / Patron"
And I just shoot you in your fucking face in front of your friends. And that's me being nice.
Not so nice would be shooting you in your balls and me and your friends watching you bleed out as I finish my beer because I didn't like your answer.

I'll bet you that your friends say "Hell yes!" and snap to attention when I ask them the same question! And I'll get away with it.



See, there's not too many options in 3rd world places like Mexico. Find me the people who aren't involved in the Drug Trade down there.
175,000 active?
I'm betting way more than that. It's not like they list their occupation on whatever W-2 they have in Mexico.
Then there's the "Reserves". The poor people forced into the business.
Some Grandparents who have to stash a load of Coke in their living room, Or the mother of 3 who's a day worker in Estados Unidos and crosses the border every day and gets forced to either swallow a few condoms full of Heroin, or stash them in her "prison wallet" until she gets to the other side.

When you're poor, you're poor.
Yeah, there's ways of staying away from it, but sometimes you need that extra money, and sometimes you're forced into it by virtue of profession, skill or just bad fuckin' luck.

And I'm not talking about the people in their Government who are paid off by the Cartels.
The Mayors, Governors, Generals, Police, Judges, Doctors, Lawyers...
I wonder where they fit into that 175,000?

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
Need to put a major dent in the US' demand for drugs and there would be less drug cartel employees. A good start would be mandatory drug testing to receive federal .gov handouts. Taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing people who have money for drugs.

That’s a complicated problem. Drug use is a tremendous problem. Like it or not, there is no societal “or else” for drug use and possession. State legislators don’t want to pay to incarcerate drug users of any level. Drug use drives crime of all types. We can’t court ordered drug treatment our way out of this. We’ve tried that for 20 years. The Drug Court program in my state has an 86 percent failure rate. So, what do we do? The emotion the topic generates notwithstanding, there isn’t an easy answer and what we are doing right now isn’t working.

As to Mexico, Mexico isn’t going to fix itself. There is no amount of sanctions or government pressure that will cause them to clean up their act. Which leaves it up to us. Send a Delta squadron to Mexico January 22nd. Let them do what they do. Time to start using the same tactics the cartel uses.

If only there were other countries that have solved the drug problem and we could look to them for guidance…




Oh wait! There are. Civilized countries like Japan, Sweden have solved the problem (as well as a lot of uncivilized ones) but of course it involves accountability and punishment of both dealers and users. No stomach for that silliness in this country. We will just continue to sacrifice our children, feed crime, and ruin lives.

https://people.howstuffworks.c...h-drug-penalties.htm

Anyone moving a lbs of drugs or more gets the death penalty. No welfare of any kind for people to test dirty meth, heroin, fentanyl. Time to end telling addicts "you have a disease." Demand at home is the big problem.

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If only there were other countries that have solved the drug problem and we could look to them for guidance…

Oh wait! There are. Civilized countries like Japan, Sweden have solved the problem (as well as a lot of uncivilized ones) but of course it involves accountability and punishment of both dealers and users. No stomach for that silliness in this country. We will just continue to sacrifice our children, feed crime, and ruin lives.

https://people.howstuffworks.c...h-drug-penalties.htm

El Salvador. Their new President went all in hard core to eliminate the drug gangs and crime in general. El Salvador built the ultimate prisons. You DO NOT want to be imprisoned in El Salvador. There is no escape.

It's not just domestic terrorits or foreingers in El Salvador. Criminals of any and all type face this. El Salvador does NOT mess around. There is a new Sheriff in Town, so to speak.

Drug Cartels and their people are subject to this same prison system.

Google that. Do a little research.

Here is one example among many about the very same exact same thing in El Salvador. This is a longer version, there are shorter edited versions on YouTube.

[URL= ]LINK Click DO NOT BE A CRIMINAL OF ANY TYPE[/URL]

What portion of the cartels business is supported by U.S. demand ?

30%? 50% ? More ?