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Held: The Commission’s actions in this case violated the Free Exercise Clause. "Whatever the confluence of speech and free exercise principles might be in some cases, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's consideration of this case was inconsistent with the State's obligation of religious neutrality. The reason and motive for the baker's refusal were based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions." Link to decision: https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...7pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | ||
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Wow!! That is fantastic!!! | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Note that it is the government entity, not the gay couple, which is on the losing end. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Sanity prevails. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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LOL Reuters called 7-2 a narrow win. | |||
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It's the gay couple that doesn't get their gay cake. Still a narrow ruling in my mind if it's based on religion-only. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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I've been to the shop a few times and threw a twenty into his legal defense fund coffee can. I think I'll give him another twenty today. | |||
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Colorado failed when they publicly demeaned religious beliefs and supported bakers that refuse to bake cakes with anti-gay messages.
“ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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I think they mean that the decision itself is narrow in scope. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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| Info Guru |
Yes.  “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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I am happy to see Kagan siding with the majority here. I'm honestly surprised Sotomayor did not. I wasn't surprised when I saw that Ginsburg authored the dissent. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Point missed! Colorado can make this baker bake a cake if they keep their mouths shut about his religious objections. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Kagan & Breyer were the two in dissent. Kagan should’ve recused herself due to her “orientation”and Breyer? Just retire... ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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My early reaction. As more comes out, this decision may not be that major. You're probably right. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Anybody that's spent time around the culinary world knows there's a segment of gay's working in the kitchen, particularly women who overwhelmingly make up the bakery/pastry/dessert field. The fact that there's been a number of gay couples pursuing litigation against private bakery's and their perceived bias, is more proof that their intent is more about legal/social upheaval and less private grievance. Follow the money. | |||
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USA Today started with "A divided Supreme Court on Monday absolved a Colorado baker of discrimination for refusing to create a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couple." Read it fast and it sounds more like a 5-4 vote. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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This should have never, ever, been a controversy, but given the current state of Leftist influence in this country, I believed this would go 5-4 in favor of the establishment clause. I am pleasantly shocked that it went 7-2. Apparently, even if by accident, all the synapses fired in unison on that day for 2 of the liberal justices. This is truly amazing. . | |||
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If the baker refuses based solely on religious grounds, how could Colorado, or any other government entity, keep its mouth shut about his religious objections? . | |||
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Of course you're spot on. Just look at the wording "absolved ... of discrimination...", assuming the baker was wrong and SCOTUS let him off the hook. My guess is the editor was crying while writing the headline. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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KENNEDY, J.,delivered the opinion of the Court, in which ROBERTS,C. J.,and BREYER, ALITO, KAGAN, and GORSUCH, JJ., joined. KAGAN, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which BREYER, J., joined. GORSUCH, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which ALITO,J., joined. THOMAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and concurring in the judgment, in which GORSUCH, J., joined. GINSBURG, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SOTOMAYOR, J., joined. Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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