Its been a while since the photo replay started up , and I was wondering
Where would a guy find a giant spread sheet with the list of ump's and the number of bad calls they made during the previous season ?
example: Blindy Mc Cluless 7 bad calls at home plate 14 bad calls at 1st base 9 bad calls at 2nd base 11 bad calls at 3rd base
41 bad calls out of 127 calls made in 54 games
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March 16, 2019, 04:13 PM
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March 16, 2019, 04:57 PM
Aquabird
I doubt they would let some list like that out to the public if they had one. They try to keep that stuff quiet. I have heard of College football coaches filling with their conference, about a bad call that maybe cost them the game, but you never hear of any response.
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March 16, 2019, 05:10 PM
Edmond
If they fired Angel Hernandez and Joe West, that would eliminate about 95% of the errors.
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March 16, 2019, 05:21 PM
bigdeal
Any info you find online is more likely to be organized around how often the Umps are 'right' in calling games.
And for the record, even with Angel Hernandez skewing the numbers (bingo Edmond), overall, umps are right better than 99% of the time. Link Let's see another human run enterprise that gets as much attention as MLB umpires beat that average. And for the record, I played high school and college baseball, and coached youth baseball for upwards of 10 years, so I have had my run ins with umps over the years.
Umpires do an incredible tough job, and they do it very well overall.
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March 16, 2019, 08:12 PM
Powers77
quote:
Originally posted by Edmond: If they fired Angel Hernandez and Joe West, that would eliminate about 95% of the errors.
Joe West is horrible. Very inconsistent.
March 16, 2019, 11:58 PM
Edmond
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Originally posted by Powers77:
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Originally posted by Edmond: If they fired Angel Hernandez and Joe West, that would eliminate about 95% of the errors.
Joe West is horrible. Very inconsistent.
He's so horrible he can't even be consistently horrible.
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March 17, 2019, 02:06 AM
KevinCW
I love Joe West, he isn't even in the same league as Angel Hernandez.
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March 17, 2019, 11:29 AM
Leeann
Remove Angel Hernandez and the umpires remaining do an incredibly tough job and they do it well.
Where else does your every decision get reviewed from 6 different angles in HD and super slo-mo?
Most overturned decisions take much longer than 2 minutes to review because it simply wasn’t visible to the naked eye in real-time and was almost impossible to decide in super slo-mo.
Angel’s reviews, however, generally take well under 2 mins and probably didn’t even need slo-mo. He’s a joke.
Joe West generally is (or was) a decent umpire, but he needed to retire a couple years ago, before he lost whatever little mobility he still had.
If you want to talk about terrible officiating, let’s talk about the NFL.
Disclaimer: I was a softball umpire from ‘90 to ‘12, working girls, womens and men’s fast pitch, including some college ball. I only retired when I broke my ankle badly enough to need 2 surgeries.
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March 17, 2019, 10:29 PM
Powers77
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Originally posted by Powers77:
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Originally posted by KevinCW: I love Joe West, he isn't even in the same league as Angel Hernandez.
I just don't recall seeing Hernandez. But watch NL mostly. Does that matter? Kevin. Know you're in STL. I lived in the area and I'm a life long Cardinals fan. Uncle took me to a game at Sportsmans Park when I was really young. Please tell me he's better than Don Denkinger.
March 18, 2019, 07:04 AM
jigray3
You guys might have left the worst umpire of all out of the discussion; C.B. Bucknor.
An anonymous ESPN poll in 2010 of 100 MLB players picked Bucknor as the worst umpire in baseball with 42% of players naming him on their ballots. There was even consensus between leagues as he topped the lists in both the AL and NL. Close behind Joe West was cited on 40% of the ballots.
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March 18, 2019, 10:08 AM
corsair
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Originally posted by jigray3: You guys might have left the worst umpire of all out of the discussion; C.B. Bucknor.
Bucknor is pretty bad, not quite at Hernandez level but, pretty bad.
March 18, 2019, 11:31 AM
bendable
you guys are saying that the coach's just accept the fact that there are great umpire's and there are pitiful umpire's and you get what you get ?
and no one says anything to the m.l.b. commishiner's ?
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March 18, 2019, 04:28 PM
Leeann
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Originally posted by jigray3: You guys might have left the worst umpire of all out of the discussion; C.B. Bucknor.
An anonymous ESPN poll in 2010 of 100 MLB players picked Bucknor as the worst umpire in baseball with 42% of players naming him on their ballots. There was even consensus between leagues as he topped the lists in both the AL and NL. Close behind Joe West was cited on 40% of the ballots.
I had a complete mental block on his name yesterday (I could see his face, but the name escaped me). He's not nearly as awful in the field as he is behind the plate. His strike zone is totally inconsistent; one pitch that should be a strike is a ball, right down the edge of the plate, and the next pitch, which should be a ball, about 3" off the plate, is called a strike. In and out, up and down. And so on.
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March 18, 2019, 05:10 PM
Georgeair
It continues to be a mystery to me that folks object to strike tracking systems that can eliminate at least that part of the variability. Usually get some BS like "it's part of the game", etc.
That would be like sanctioning NHRA drag races using two folks and this to measure results:
I'd be ok with chipping footballs too, and putting a sensor at the goal line. Not trying to eliminate all human factors, just the key ones prone to mistake.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Georgeair,
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March 18, 2019, 08:55 PM
jigray3
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Originally posted by bendable: you guys are saying that the coach's just accept the fact that there are great umpire's and there are pitiful umpire's and you get what you get ?
and no one says anything to the m.l.b. commishiner's ?
They have a union.
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