It's all academic for me, Jim. Never have I owned a Yeti product, for the very simple reason that I deem their products to be VERY overpriced. I wouldn't buy their products no matter what.

And if the NRA was overly aggressive in this instance, good, because other companies will see it and may think twice about fucking around.

Next time, maybe their PR folks won’t wait until Monday to put out a Friday PR fire. I didn’t read a response from Yeti until +/- 72 hours later Sandy F. fired the first volley from Florida. That in and of itself sends a message.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
As for the whole virtue signaling thing, who made this spat public? The NRA did, not Yeti. If Yeti wanted to "virtue signal" like Dick's and the others they would have announced their move, right?Why would they wait for the NRA to take the issue public if they were trying to make a polical statement?

I think Yeti was trying to have their cake and eat it too. Have some ammunition when the pussy virtue signalers they live with come calling, but keep the outdoors people who make their business possible.

As for the NRA virtue signaling, they simply presented their opinion on what was going on - vendor ends program without explanation - they have seen this dance before and are fighting it.

People can draw their own conclusions, whether they are for holding the line (us) or making concessions / apologizing (you).

If this year and a half has taught us anything, it's never apologize.

NEVER.

I am not apologising to anyone, I am looking at the facts and making my own rational decision about what happened. Are you seriously suggesting that Yeti, based on being anti gun, pulled the plug on the NRA quietly with a plan to virtue signal later....only to be foiled by the NRA going public with the plot? Yeah, that sounds totally logical. BTW, I must confess, I threw away some NRA donation solicitation junk mail the other day so I guess I am virtue signaling to the garbage man that I am anti 2A

Disregard

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Originally posted by parabellum:
It's all academic for me, Jim. Never have I owned a Yeti product, for the very simple reason that I deem their products to be VERY overpriced. I wouldn't buy their products no matter what.

And if the NRA got was overly aggressive in this instance, good, because other companies will see it and may think twice about fucking around.

[Steps gingerly out onto the thin ice]

So....as long as it's a company we don't care for our 2A allies can use unethical practices to hurt private business for not giving them what they want? Why not shame private citizens too? Would we be OK if the NRA published a list of members who let their membership lapse? To me what the NRA is signaling to other companies is not to do business with the NRA in the 1st place or risk public shaming if you ever want to amend the relationship.

Sorry, but I do not feel the need to justify my position on this.

As I said, I am fed the fuck up, and that's all you should need to know. I don't feel in the least bit reasonable.

Between the NRA and Yeti, I'll believe the NRA's version of events.

Jim, you side with Yeti, as is your right.

Thats the disconnect here.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Between the NRA and Yeti, I'll believe the NRA's version of events.

Jim, you side with Yeti, as is your right.

Thats the disconnect here.

The NRA wasn't the only organization effected. They were the only one to take their butt hurt public in an attempt to retaliate against Yeti. The willingness of usually fair minded people to turn a blind eye is the disconnect to me......

Jim, not to pile on you, but...

I worked in marketing - something this big (and it was HUGE) would have blown up the CEO’s phone no later than 2 hours after the first story. Someone, somewhere would have seen the article/story/email, and messaged the friend who knows/works/is the xxx at Yeti. The Internet is the world’s fastest game of telephone.

After those 2 hours, any sane CEO would (in the situation that you spoke of) immediately reach out to the NRA contact, clear the air, and issue a press release and social media statement. All this would be done no later than midnight.

Sorry. For this response to come out so late on Monday... not buying it.

EDIT: Also, I have yet to see any proof that what Yeti states is true. Show me an email, letter, etc that is winding down the program...

If Yeti really terminated their association with the NRA because they are re-evaluating their position on charitable donations with every company then they should have said so and provided proof that they have terminated business with other foundations as well.

Any company who terminates a standing partnership of any kind with the NRA during the current climate is either virtue signaling or is too stupid to recognize current events and how their move will be interpreted by both sides. Maybe this was the latter but if they really are just that stupid then I don’t think that I want to do business with them anyway.

I'll remind y'all of this coincidence...

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Originally posted by Maestro:
I’ve got one worse for you. My favorite LGS was one of their original dealers in the Tampa Bay region, and they have sold high volumes of Yeti products. The same day this info was released, they received a message from Yeti stating that their store was no longer authorized to carry Yeti products. Coincidence???

Any other of your LGS’s have a similar experience?

https://twitter.com/pelicancoo...s/988458616851255297

Pelican:

For every cooler purchased this month, we’ll donate $10 to the NRA + and give you a FREE tumbler of your choice. Promo code: PELICANPROUD

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Originally posted by TXJIM:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Between the NRA and Yeti, I'll believe the NRA's version of events.

Jim, you side with Yeti, as is your right.

Thats the disconnect here.

The NRA wasn't the only organization effected. Says YETI They were the only one to take their butt hurt public in an attempt to retaliate against Yeti. In your opinion The willingness of usually fair minded people to turn a blind eye is the disconnect to me......

Of course you are taking YETI's statement at face value.

I take the NRA's at face value and trust that they wouldn't fabricate it.

But yes yes, your.... are so meaningful and impactful. Deep man, DEEP.

BTW, do you or anyone of yours work for YETI???

They charge 1300 bucks for a cooler and are winding down a program where they provide some kind of discount for charitable organizations. What's the matter Yeti, not satisfied with half a dicking? It's plastic and styrofoam for pete's sake. I have zero sympathy for them.

As far as the possibility goes that poor Yeti may just be misunderstood, well if so good. Let them be the example that tells everyone else to stop taking their customers for granted. Stop thinking that your 1st amendment rights entitle you to my business. Make your statement all you want you aren't getting my business if I don't like it and I'll exercise my 1st amendment rights and tell all my friends you're a wanker.

Full disclosure. I don't own a single Yeti product. The day I spend 1300 bucks on a cooler that doesn't come with on demand blow jobs somebody please take me out back and put one behind my ear.

Cut it out, Rhino

Ack

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Originally posted by thunderson:
They charge 1300 bucks for a cooler and are winding down a program where they provide some kind of discount for charitable organizations. What's the matter Yeti, not satisfied with half a dicking? It's plastic and styrofoam for pete's sake.

Yeah, plastic and styrofoam, and you don't even get a kiss.

This was the response I received from my email:


A few weeks ago, YETI notified the NRA Foundation, as well as a number of other organizations, that we were eliminating a group of outdated discounting programs. When we notified the NRA Foundation and the other organizations of this change, YETI explained that we were offering them an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation. These facts directly contradict the inaccurate statement the NRA-ILA distributed on April 20.

Further, the NRA-ILA stated in that same public communication that "[YETI has] declined to continue helping America's young people enjoy outdoor recreational activities." Nothing is further from the truth. YETI was founded more than 10 years ago with a passion for the outdoors, and over the course of our history we have actively and enthusiastically supported hunters, anglers and the broader outdoor community. We have been devoted to and will continue to directly support causes tied to our passion for the outdoors, including by working with many organizations that promote conservation and management of wildlife resources and habitat restoration. From our website to our film footage and from our social media posts to our ambassadors, YETI has always prominently featured hunters pursuing their passions. Moreover, YETI is unwavering in our belief in and commitment to the Constitution of the United States and its Second Amendment.

Thanks for reaching out to YETI.

I'm not buying their story either. Here's my response to their email:

"What other organizations?

You know, of course, that the Second Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting.

The timing of this decision you made to "change outdated discounting programs" seems awfully suspicious, particularly in light of one or two comments from misguided anti-freedom people that I noticed on your social media page.

I still remain convinced that this move on your part has a lot to do with a few people who pressured you to disassociate your brand from the NRA because "assault rifles". I believe you're now backpedaling because of the overwhelming negative reaction you received from thousands of former customers.

Maybe you can come up with another story line that will seem less suspicious."

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Originally posted by thunderson:
They charge 1300 bucks for a cooler and are winding down a program where they provide some kind of discount for charitable organizations. What's the matter Yeti, not satisfied with half a dicking? It's plastic and styrofoam for pete's sake.

Yeah, plastic and styrofoam, and you don't even get a kiss.

You do however save $2.00 per weekend on only having to buy one bag of ice instead of two. That's got to be worth something, isn't it?

After a quick 650 weekend trips your at your break even point, that's only 20-30 years if you are a avid weekend warrior, or maybe 10 years if you do week+ long trips.

So totally worth it.

As far as they are dicking all charity/organizations vs NRA overreaction. IDGAF, they if it was an honest mistake should employ people that catch things like this and get ahead of them. If it's an overreaction, then they should have had someone to say immediately:

"We honor our relationship with outdoorsman, hunters, fishers, and those engaged in the shooting sports. This is a contractual matter that includes all charitable organizations and we are actively working a fair discount to those organizations in exchange for their continued promotion of our product. We assure your 100% these changes were in the works prior to the current move to punish companies that do business with firearm related companies and organizations, moreover we honor our relationships with the shooting and outdoor communities, and very much want to continue to support the second amendment."

If they had came out and said this within 24 hours, I'd probably sheath my pitchfork, they didn't. This seals the deal for me to never buy a product from them ever, even if this was the biggest misunderstanding ever.