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HK to stop selling firearms to Israel
September 15, 2017, 10:53 AM
SigM4HK to stop selling firearms to Israel
Didn't see this discussed anywhere yet, if so I apologize for the duplicate.
Linkquote:
Heckler & Koch, the German weapons manufacturer whose guns are estimated to have killed more than 2 million people since the company was founded in 1949, has quietly adopted the most ethical sales policy of any gunmaker in the world.
The company has pledged no longer to sell arms into warzones or to countries that violate corruption and democracy standards, including Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, or any African countries.
Though never officially announced, the new strategy was included in Heckler & Koch’s latest yearly financial report, and confirmed at an annual general meeting in August. A spokesman said that the firm had “withdrawn from the crisis regions of this world”.
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Heckler & Koch – sometimes called Germany’s deadliest company by activists – said it would now sell only to “green countries,” which it defined according to three criteria: membership of Nato or “Nato-equivalent” (Japan, Switzerland, Australia and New Zealand); Transparency International’s corruption perceptions index; and the Economist Intelligence Unit’s democracy index.
Following some of the links in the article appears to be a legitimate move by HK; which is disappointing to see.
Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.
Complacency sucks… September 15, 2017, 10:55 AM
parabellumquote:
Heckler & Koch, the German weapons manufacturer whose guns are estimated to have killed more than 2 million people since the company was founded in 1949...
Say what?
September 15, 2017, 10:56 AM
BBMWIsrael is pretty self sufficient in their small arms production.
And, from a business standpoint HK doesn't seem to be particularly well run. This just add to it. I don't see them being around too much longer. The entire German small arms industry doesn't seem to healthy at the moment.
September 15, 2017, 11:00 AM
thundersonHysterical. If you go to Africa you should know how to break down an AK, FAL, CETME, and a G3.
HK will just ship to buyers elsewhere and elsewhere will ship where they want.
I'm sure Israel is sweating this news.
I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown September 15, 2017, 11:00 AM
SigM4quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
quote:
Heckler & Koch, the German weapons manufacturer whose guns are estimated to have killed more than 2 million people since the company was founded in 1949...
Say what?
Yeah, sorry about that. The quoted piece was from the Guardian, as such there was opinion in there along with the factual stuff.
Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.
Complacency sucks… September 15, 2017, 11:02 AM
parabellumI'd like to know how they arrived at that number.
September 15, 2017, 11:03 AM
zoom6zoomIsrael be like, "OK, who needs ya?"
I have my own style of humor. I call it Snarkasm. September 15, 2017, 11:03 AM
12131HK should just starts selling flowers.
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September 15, 2017, 11:03 AM
Leemurquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
I'd like to know how they arrived at that number.
Pulled from a dark and smelly place no doubt.
September 15, 2017, 11:04 AM
stickman428Yet the author hasn't and won't consider how many lives H&K firearms have saved.
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September 15, 2017, 11:06 AM
911BossHmmm, I have no problem with a company deciding who or who not to do business with. Their business, their decision, even if bad for business.
Kinda like the baker and the gay cake.
I’d be interested to hear someone who believes a baker, photographer, etc. should have the right to refuse service to a gay weddding explain why this is “wrong”. Just a reminder, I believe baker, etc.
should be able to refuse such service,
What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
September 15, 2017, 11:06 AM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by stickman428:
Yet the author hasn't and won't consider how many lives H&K firearms have saved.
Good point.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 September 15, 2017, 11:06 AM
kz1000quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
I'd like to know how they arrived at that number.
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-Bomber Harris
September 15, 2017, 11:08 AM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by Leemur:
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
I'd like to know how they arrived at that number.
Pulled from a dark and smelly place no doubt.
Probably a WAG, ie, a wild arse guess. But what is more important, to present correct information, or to be politically correct?
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 September 15, 2017, 11:09 AM
SevenPlusOneMaybe they're counting movie kills?
"Ninja kick the damn rabbit" September 15, 2017, 11:15 AM
rusbroquote:
Originally posted by SigM4:
The company has pledged no longer to sell arms into warzones or to countries that violate corruption and democracy standards
Why not really put your money where your mouth is? If you're not going to sell in "warzones," why sell to the military at all? They fight wars, ya know.
And as far as "democracy standards," I hear America is filled with racist cops...Better not sell there, either.
September 15, 2017, 11:18 AM
bozmanJohn Wick alone killed that many using a HK.
It's true, I read that on the internet
The "Boz"
September 15, 2017, 11:24 AM
H&K-GuyThe Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition:
-Rule 34: War is good for business.
-Rule 35: Peace is good for business.
I've given up trying to make sense of HK's business model.
Sadly, I am hopelessly addicted to their products.
H&K-Guy
September 15, 2017, 11:33 AM
Elk Hunterquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
I'd like to know how they arrived at that number.
Ouija board?
2 million people killed by guns since 1949? That is 3 years after WW2 ended.
Elk
There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)
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FBHO!!!
The Idaho Elk Hunter
September 15, 2017, 11:37 AM
redleg2/9Who'd a thunk it? HK killed more than the '03 Springfield and the M1 Grand combined?
From the figures I can find, the German Army and Waffen SS lost most of their men on the Eastern Front:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ties_in_World_War_II .
If they can just toss out figures and expect them to be accepted - I will use the same method.
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