Never go full Karen

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Originally posted by selogic:
Did anyone advocate harassing them ?

Yes several times. Read the thread.

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Do you like wind chimes???
Know someone who had a similar issues.
Shortly after the wind chimes were hung the deer stand went away.

If you interfere with them hunting their land, you will have committed a crime in many states. This is a fairly serious crime in Texas - not just a ticket.

One is not interfering they are still free to hunt as they see fit on their property.

In Georgia, that would almost assuredly be considered interfering:

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to: (1) Interfere with the lawful taking of wildlife by another person by intentionally preventing or attempting to prevent such person from such lawful taking of wildlife; (2) Disturb or engage in activity tending to disturb wildlife for the purpose of intentionally preventing or attempting to prevent the lawful taking of such wildlife; or (3) Fail to obey an order of a law enforcement officer to desist from conduct violating paragraph (1) or (2) of this subsection if the law enforcement officer observes such conduct or if the law enforcement officer has reasonable grounds for believing that the person has engaged in such conduct that day or that the person plans or intends to engage in such conduct that day at a specific location.

That may be but the purpose of the multiple wind chimes located at various places on my property are to provide an audible indicator of certain property lines and locations for myself, family, and friends when we hike and camp at night, that I do not have to worry about a power source or being damaged by the elements.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Do you like wind chimes???
Know someone who had a similar issues.
Shortly after the wind chimes were hung the deer stand went away.

If you interfere with them hunting their land, you will have committed a crime in many states. This is a fairly serious crime in Texas - not just a ticket.

Could you explain this further? It sounds like you are saying that a private land owner in Texas is not free to enjoy his/her property in anyway he/she sees fit.

You can't interfere with hunters. Even if you do it from your land. Just the same as you can't use your property as a place to sacrifice virgins, if that is what you see fit to do. You can't deliberately interfere with hunting, whether you do it on your land or somewhere else.

So, no, you can't stand just on your side of the line and set off fireworks with the purpose of scaring off the deer on the neighbor's land so they can't hunt them. That would be infringing on his ability to use his land the way he wants to. It is a two way street.

It is akin to zoning laws. There are lots of regulations about land use. Zoning laws are an example. I can't run a feedlot in a lot of places. You can't use your land to do any damn thing you want. One thing you can't do on it is interfere with hunters.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

You can't interfere with hunters. Even if you do it from your land. Just the same as you can't use your property as a place to sacrifice virgins, if that is what you see fit to do. You can't deliberately interfere with hunting, whether you do it on your land or somewhere else.

So, no, you can't stand just on your side of the line and set off fireworks with the purpose of scaring off the deer on the neighbor's land so they can't hunt them. That would be infringing on his ability to use his land the way he wants to. It is a two way street.

It is akin to zoning laws. There are lots of regulations about land use. Zoning laws are an example. I can't run a feedlot in a lot of places.

How about mowing the lawn, riding my 4-wheeler, walking my trails, maintaining my trails, etc? Are these prohibited during all hunting seasons?

I think the whole " interfering " thing could get convoluted . If you are hunting on your land , not necessarily on the property line , and I'm cutting trees on my property , you could argue that I'm interfering with your hunting . Even though it's perfectly legal for me to cut trees on MY own property . I'm not talking about cranking a chainsaw next to his Deer stand . Different situation .

INTENT HAS TO BE PROVEN which can be/is very very difficult to do when the act has numerous legal reasons for being done.

Say, I am a hunter as well so I build a new pond on my property as the only water source is on the adjacent property.
Is that interfering with their hunting and now criminal? No because my intent is not to interfere with his specific hunting just make my land better for hunting.

Or I don’t even deer hunt but I want to grow corn or just the fact that I like wild life and do wild life photography so I place mineral licks all over my property? No, my intent is not to interfere.

Pretty much if it serves a legitimate purpose unless you state to someone specifically that I did this to keep that guy from hunting on HIS property then it will be very difficult to prove.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

How about mowing the lawn, riding my 4-wheeler, walking my trails, maintaining my trails, etc? Are these prohibited during all hunting seasons?

Of course not. I will be on that trail with my SxS to cut wood as well as keep an eye on them. That trail has been there for 30 years, before they or I even acquired these properties. I use that trail quite often for walking the dog and riding the SXS, the fact they set tree stands right along it is their problem. My plan for next year is to make that trail also serve as my shooting range, yeah somewhat because of what they're doing but in reality it's one of just a few ideal places I have. The trail there is straight for over 100 yards with a slight incline that steepens beyond that for a back stop.

Or, say I was a "hunter" and my neighbor asked me to quit hunting on his property, which I've been hunting for years because I'm an entitled jerk. Naturally, I take exception to this and erect deer stands right on the property line so I can "hunt" and deprive my neighbor the ability to use his land.

ridewv has been clear that he's talking one neighbor out of six. The only neighbor that has tracked and lost game on ridewv's property. The only neighbor who has been caught hunting on ridewv's property, albeit in the past by the former owner. The guy who bragged about killing non-game and protected birds and animals.

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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:

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Originally posted by selogic:
Did anyone advocate harassing them ?

Yes several times. Read the thread.

Selogic being one who appeared to advocate harassing them…

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Just the same as you can't use your property as a place to sacrifice virgins, if that is what you see fit to do.

Uuhhhh... Please tell me that this is just a Texas thing, and not an "All across America" thing.
If so, does anyone want to help me take down this Aztec-Esque altar in my yard?

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

You can't interfere with hunters. Even if you do it from your land. Just the same as you can't use your property as a place to sacrifice virgins, if that is what you see fit to do. You can't deliberately interfere with hunting, whether you do it on your land or somewhere else.

So, no, you can't stand just on your side of the line and set off fireworks with the purpose of scaring off the deer on the neighbor's land so they can't hunt them. That would be infringing on his ability to use his land the way he wants to. It is a two way street.

It is akin to zoning laws. There are lots of regulations about land use. Zoning laws are an example. I can't run a feedlot in a lot of places.

How about mowing the lawn, riding my 4-wheeler, walking my trails, maintaining my trails, etc? Are these prohibited during all hunting seasons?

This isn't hard. Why make it so difficult?

If you are doing an activity with the purpose of interfering with hunting, it is a crime.

If you have a legitimate purpose, it is okay.

Black is right, intent can be hard to show. But in many cases, it really isn't so hard. If the accused only goes outside and plays his trombone when someone is in the deer stand, we can figure out his intent. If he is a member of a symphony and plays the trombone day in and day out, it isn't interference.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Just the same as you can't use your property as a place to sacrifice virgins, if that is what you see fit to do.

Uuhhhh... Please tell me that this is just a Texas thing, and not an "All across America" thing.
If so, does anyone want to help me take down this Aztec-Esque altar in my yard?

I throw mine into a volcano.

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Originally posted by arfmel:

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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:

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Originally posted by selogic:
Did anyone advocate harassing them ?

Yes several times. Read the thread.

Selogic being one who appeared to advocate harassing them…

How so ?

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Originally posted by ridewv:
My plan for next year is to make that trail also serve as my shooting range, yeah somewhat because of what they're doing ...

Dual-purposing, not re-purposing, but dual-purposing a trail to also serve as a shooting range. What could possibly go wrong?

And all because you have a bug up your ass because they're hunting and you don't like hunting or hunters.

Wow.

For the record: I don't hunt. I've no interest in hunting. I'd hunt if I needed to. I don't so I don't. Furthermore: I had an LEO once ask me to assist him in putting down an injured deer. Watching the lights go out in that creatures eyes was something that'll be with me until my dying day.

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Originally posted by selogic:
How so ?

Actually it was snidera on the first page after your post that suggested the harassment of the hunters then later the op commented as well with intent.

I guess having the Game Warden (WV DNR) meet with you at your home and discuss the issue with them is out of the question. I am sure they will give you the best advice.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
Of course not. I will be on that trail with my SxS to cut wood as well as keep an eye on them. That trail has been there for 30 years, before they or I even acquired these properties. I use that trail quite often for walking the dog and riding the SXS, the fact they set tree stands right along it is their problem. My plan for next year is to make that trail also serve as my shooting range, yeah somewhat because of what they're doing but in reality it's one of just a few ideal places I have. The trail there is straight for over 100 yards with a slight incline that steepens beyond that for a back stop.

Well, looks like there is intent to disturb hunters, right there in print for the whole world to find... Not that everything on the interwebs stay there forever, right?

BTW WV Law

§20-2-2a. Interference with hunters, trappers and fishermen.

A person may not willfully obstruct or impede the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of hunting, fishing or trapping. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $100 nor more than $500 or imprisoned in the county jail for not less than ten days nor more than one hundred days or both fined and imprisoned. Also, any person convicted of a subsequent violation of this section shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned in the county jail not more than one year or both fined and imprisoned. For the purpose of this section a subsequent violation is one which has occurred within two years of any prior violation of this section and which arises out of a separate set of circumstances. Any person convicted of any violation of this section shall be liable to the person, whom they interfered with, for all costs and damages resulting therefrom and if such offender holds a West Virginia hunting, fishing or trapping license at the time of conviction, such license shall be revoked.

Link to WVA Code

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For the record: I don't hunt. I've no interest in hunting. I'd hunt if I needed to. I don't so I don't. Furthermore: I had an LEO once ask me to assist him in putting down an injured deer. Watching the lights go out in that creatures eyes was something that'll be with me until my dying day.

I think the risk of thread drift is past, this topic has reared up a few times here from what I see. At the undertone of it all is a difference of opinion about hunting...and how to legally harass an activity the OP doesn't agree with or like. As people here have pointed out, in most every state that is a crime. In Alaska it's taken very seriously, as it should be. The OP isn't in Alaska...so rules here don't matter.

Ensigmatic, my views on hunting are very similar to yours. Hunting, for me, isn't a sport. It is a means to feed my family. I enjoy being in the wilderness at times, but I certainly wouldn't choose the hardship of hunting times for an enjoyable camping trip. Nor the risks involved. Hunting, like gardening, trapping, and other food gathering activities is not something a person learns or is good at overnight. It takes years of practice and learning. Killing shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't enjoy it, fishing, hunting, or otherwise. I view catch and release as torture of fish. Hunting, is killing. I eat meat though, so I'm willing to do it to live. I view it as my responsibility to do it well, to minimize the pain as much as possible. It's why I abhor laws made to increase the difficulty and success involved in a clean and responsible kill. Where I live, we have a lot of problems with our fish and game laws. They're being made by persons who view hunting and fishing as a sport, a sport which should be regulated heavily to be "fair" to the animals. Fundamentally, that is a failure on our part to allow firearms to be viewed as "sporting" and hunting to be viewed and a "hobby".

...so harassing or seeking to limit a persons (not accusing you ensigmatic, not in the least) ability to hunt and gather food should be viewed as the serious crime that it is. Expect, if a person engages in such assholeness, to meet resistance.

Not a single person in this thread has advocated for your neighbors crossing onto or hunting on your land. You don't own the game though. If they leave your land, they are fair game. IF they are legally shot off your land, and travel onto your land...in every state I know of, the hunter has every right to go onto your land to collect the game. Decorum would be to knock on a door, or call the neighbor if able...but in all the states that I've lived and hunted in, it isn't required, and isn't up for discussion.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
Not a single person in this thread has advocated for your neighbors crossing onto or hunting on your land. You don't own the game though. If they leave your land, they are fair game. IF they are legally shot off your land, and travel onto your land...in every state I know of, the hunter has every right to go onto your land to collect the game. Decorum would be to knock on a door, or call the neighbor if able...but in all the states that I've lived and hunted in, it isn't required, and isn't up for discussion.

FWIW, in Georgia, the law requires a hunter to make a reasonable attempt to retrieve a killed/crippled game animal. It does not allow you to do so on another property without permission and that landowner is under no legal obligation to allow it.