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semi-reformed sailor |
^^ the simpler answer is to observe the out of state cops and call the local cops on them saying there’s some shifty guys looking at little kids in a dark Oldsmobile …or the like. Call them out. Shall not be infringed is pretty clear to me-but what do I know "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
And, here is the thing that most don't recognize as the practical reality. When the cops stop most people, even genuine criminals who know they have contraband, they are really good at getting them to give them permission to search or to make statements that are sufficiently incriminating to permit searches. The police don't often have to search over the objection of the person stopped. It takes a stone-cold Tony Soprano level gangster to tell the cops to fuck off. Most people don't have that ice in their veins, determination, and the knowledge to do it. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
You are confusing that you don't like California gun law with what the law actually is about searches and seizures. 9mmepiphany is accurate in his descriptions. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
The sad part is that civilians need to know that in order to protect themselves from self incrimination by being coerced into giving there rights up by well trained law enforcement. One LGS employee moved into law enforcement, he had stories of how the guy training him showed him how to look for cars with reasons to pull them and see if he could get the driver to allow a search. To him it was a challenge, and he used minor traffic/vehicle infractions to try and catch someone. I'm sure it's led to some arrests of people with felony warrants and such, but still, they are well trained on how to work people to get the ok.. Honestly ought to be a Miranda warning they have to give drivers on the rules on consent of searching... | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
I think folks are putting too much thought into this perception that LE are busting people left and right in CA, buying out of state stuff. Yes, it has happened in some obvious situations long ago, but bringing back stuff from out of state is largely unenforceable. They don't ask about mags and ammo at the border checkpoints, they're more concerned about fruits and vegetables. I have broken so many CA guns laws when I used to live there, pretty much all of my gun friends did, the laws are so numerous, so stupidly ridiculous and many largely unenforceable. It is estimated most CA gun owners did not register their ARs and AKs with the govt. when mandated. Even before Freedom Week, many owned standard cap magazines. Etc. The laws are so numerous, that one can bet most CA gun owners are breaking some sort of law. Same in NY, NJ, Washington, etc. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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I assume every serious gun owner in California is a felon many times over. Except me, of course. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
I am SOOOOOOOOO glad I moved out of CA California Undercover Agents Staking Out Nevada Gun Shows Undercover California law enforcement agents are prowling gun shows in Nevada, watching for attendees with California license plates on their cars. This article from the LA Times emphasizes that they’re looking for buyers bringing “assault weapons” and “high capacity” magazines back home. However, now that ammunition is subject to a background check in the Golden State, you can bet that they’re stopping those buyers, too. And while not mentioned in the article, does anyone think they’re not also staking out gun stores near the border as well? The black Isuzu with California plates headed west on Interstate 80 into the Sierra Nevada, eventually crossing the Nevada state line. That’s when the California Highway Patrol pulled Vincent Huey over. Inside the vehicle, state Justice Department agents found 18 high-capacity magazines, some capable of holding 30 rounds, according to court records. … “DOJ continues to investigate information provided regarding the unlawful importation of illegal firearms into California,” including with undercover investigations, the Justice Department said in a statement. [Former chief of the California Justice Department’s Bureau of Firearms Steve] Lindley said he attended this year’s Reno [gun] show as an observer for Brady United. Up to half of the cars in the parking lot, he said, had California plates, adding that undercover law enforcement was also on hand. “We cannot comment, even to confirm or deny, potential or ongoing investigations or operations,” said a statement from [Attorney General Xavier] Becerra’s office. Scott Tarbell, the organizer of the Reno event, said he welcomed the presence of California Justice Department agents and wasn’t concerned about them scaring away potential customers. “We invite them, but they come at their own leisure and they don’t announce anything,” Tarbell said of the agents. “The only ones they’d scare away are the ones that got no good on their mind.” "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
^^^ that article is from 24 years ago No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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Among the litany of bills Newsom recently signed, is SB2, it's essentially thumbing the nose of Bruen and designating just about everywhere a 'sensitive location', thus CCL holders are restricted from carrying anywhere and everywhere. Predictably there's pushback surprisingly from LE, which historically in CA have muted their public comments. THE "BAN CONCEALED CARRY EVERYWHERE" BILL
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Go Vols! |
I remember when Tennessee had a tax on ammunition. I’m not sure if it was ever challenged since it was 10 cents. | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
It does. (Or did. No ammo I have bought in the last year or two has the little green stamp on it.) However, it actually goes - or went - to something, i.e., wildlife management. | |||
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| my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives |
Probable cause doesn’t require proof. Please read Illinois v gates https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/462/213/ Warrants aren’t required to search an operable vehicle. There are about a thousand cases supporting this, but Carroll v us and United States v brinegar are some fun oldie but goodies from the prohibition era and post prohibition liquor smuggling. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/267/132/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/338/160/ ***************************** "I don't own the night, I only operate a small franchise" - Author unknown | |||
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| Low Speed, High Drag |
By Dan Zimmerman -October 26, 2019 "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Even if you have ammo in your car coming back, as long as it doesn't have any marking that it was bought in NV, they'd have to prove you didn't have it when you left and went to NV. You could have been going for a range day in NV and taken your guns and own ammo for all they know and you're on the way home... When you read about CA legislatures defiance of SCOTUS rulings and Newsom signing it, that should scare the living heck out of anyone in a free state if this guy ends up on the D ballot, ever. | |||
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Corsair, thanks for posting the video of the Fresno County sheriff. I agree with him completely that new CCW regs does absolutely nothing to prevent gun crimes committed by....get this....criminals, gang bangers, prohibited people, etc. It only penalizes law-abiding CCW holders and dissuades new CCW from applying. For those of you unfamiliar with CA's CCW process, it's controlled primarily by each county sheriff who have to follow state guidelines. I'll use my county as an example (Placer County). For new CCW permits, it costs about $400 between the 8 hour course, range qualification (super easy), and background check. Renewal is every two years at close to $200, which includes a 4 hour course, range qualification, and background check. It's can be cost-prohibitive. If you let your permit lapse, you've got to start all over again. It's ridiculous. And my county is one of the easier counties. Many counties require (and this new senate bill would require it) 16 hours initial training. My hunch is that Newsom and AG Rob Bonta's plan is to discourage and dissuade new CCW applications and renewals. So, if you encounter a CA CCW permit holder, at least congratulate them on jumping through the hoops to stick it to the governor and pansies at the state capital. P229 | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Basically making it unaffordable for lower income families/individuals to have a carry permit. CA doesn't care about crime, it's no bail DA's along with $1000 limit on felony charges for theft are proof. Its about projecting power and defeating one of the stallwarts of conservative backing, the NRA/Gun Owners group(s). | |||
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There's no doubt that the new requirements are a vehicle to make acquiring a CCL onerous and difficult; Bruen invalidated their previous attempts at cause. In their mind there's no discrimination between responsible-citizen or, criminal; one-less gun or, box of ammunition out of private hands is a victory in their mind. One obstacle that anti-2A counties have made is requiring a psyche evaluation by their physicians, where appointments can be many, many months out. I understanding the cost of a permit from San Francisco Co is $500+. | |||
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