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the good: our population is growing. . .


Yes the population is growing. How many of those are net tax payers, vs how many are net tax consumers? Given the increasing socialistic economy, a growing population could add fuel to the pending storm.




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It works great up until the currency devaluation.



 
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Why is it spelled debt?
 
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Getting to old to care, but I worry for my kids and grandkids!!


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If interest rates ever go up we won't be able to service the interest payments.

I keep thinking the global debt that'll never be paid back is really the little peoples investments and retirement accounts.


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sure, until it isn't. every fiat currency has failed...eventually.

 
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the good: our population is growing. that bodes well for total economic activity. Japan's population shrank and it CRUSHED their economy for decades


the bad: fiscal discipline does not appear to be on ANY politician's radar at this point.

Japan's population has a strong work ethic. Increasing our population won't have the same positive effect.


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If you have the time and inclination, this article is a very good description of what is going on:

https://seekingalpha.com/artic...-inflation-deflation
 
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Why is it spelled debt?


It's borrowed from the Latin 'debitum', meaning "something owed".
 
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The next one will be just like 2008 (only worse) Who owes who what isn't going to matter, until it matters.

When it does matter, it will matter right now (just like 08)

And just like 08 there will be two groups, the small group who is prepared, and the large group who isn't.

Seeing that the large group has the most votes. Politicians will do what ever they have to, to CYA at the polls.

The sick part is most of them know (just like 08) they are "planting the seeds" to make the next one even worse, but it won't happen "on my watch".


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If you have the time and inclination, this article is a very good description of what is going on:

https://seekingalpha.com/artic...-inflation-deflation


Ok sasquatch28, that's on my reading list for tomorrow. (As you implied, it's not a quickie).




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My thought is this: "if we can't pay the debt down when times are good, what the heck will we do when times are bad?"

It's scary, but I'm pretty well situated.
 
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No, but have no clue when the big financial collapse will come and who will be the winners and who will be the losers among us common folk. Their is zero accountability for those running up the debt who just want political power and kick the can down the road
. Democrats are positioning themselves to take advantage of an economic collapse by being the ones who promise "fairness and equity" which in reality means misery for everyone but the ruling elite . Sadly so many do not learn from history what such false prophets will bring.
 
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If you can figure out where the politicians keep their money and keep yours in the same place, you'll make out fine.
 
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The only thing keeping the USD worth anything is our military.
 
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If you have the time and inclination, this article is a very good description of what is going on:

https://seekingalpha.com/artic...-inflation-deflation


This is a really good read for the explanations and history. Predictions are a bit waffle-ish, but so are all of them. "we might see inflation, but we might not"
 
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40% of all the money ever created in the US has been in the last 2 years.

The problem is not revenue it’s a spending problem. The budgets are wildly pork laden. Revenue is expected to be 3.3 trillion this year. Revenue has been well over 3t a year since 2014. I would post that this country could handle some austerity and go back to the budget of just 2010 and be balanced and we would be fine.

In just a decade the debt has gone from 13T to 23T. If and when rates go up the debt service alone will be a major issue. The fed and the gov have a serious problem and they need to keep these rates low forever.
 
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40% of all the money ever created in the US has been in the last 2 years.

The problem is not revenue it’s a spending problem. The budgets are wildly pork laden. Revenue is expected to be 3.3 trillion this year. Revenue has been well over 3t a year since 2014. I would post that this country could handle some austerity and go back to the budget of just 2010 and be balanced and we would be fine.

In just a decade the debt has gone from 13T to 23T. If and when rates go up the debt service alone will be a major issue. The fed and the gov have a serious problem and they need to keep these rates low forever.


Example, my household received over $4k in 2020 that we neither needed, nor wanted. It is sitting in my checking account as 'we'll buy a new TV, once they restock from the other idiots'.
I know some people needed some help & I'm sure they appreciated it. What would have been better was targeted help through all the other ways we have to provide it. But that would have taken effort for our fearless 'leaders'.
 
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In just a decade the debt has gone from 13T to 23T. If and when rates go up the debt service alone will be a major issue. The fed and the gov have a serious problem and they need to keep these rates low forever.

Yep.
Historically, 6% would not be considered a high rate of interest. If/when interest rates go back to that level servicing the debt will become a major problem.

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The only thing keeping the USD worth anything is our military.

That is true. When we can no longer afford to sustain the world's preeminent military, the dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency.



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Non-discretionary spending is the real problem. Sure, pork, foreign aid, handouts, Congressional salaries, etc. get the blood pressure up. But that's discretionary spending and is an ever shrinking percentage of federal spending. Entitlements are what will bankrupt us. You could eliminate ever penny of discretionary spending, basically the whole gov't., and it wouldn't correct the kamikaze course entitlement spending has us on.
 
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