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Originally posted by arcwelder76:

Extreme weather, for one. a rise in the average temperature in the worlds oceans.



**There is zero proof of this.


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When the Department of Defense is investing in solar power and taking other steps, I'd say that there are "credible threats" out there that are real, which are climate related.


**No this is political and was driven largely by the previous administration, and who they promoted.

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... but for me, energy independence from OPEC and the Saudis is a much more prominent motivator.


**We are doing that under this administration, and creating more American jobs in the process.


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Some sort of balance must be reached, we need to live here, and we should understand that if we aren't a steward of the planet we'll destroy our food production, air quality and other parts needed to not die.

We need to drill for oil, and precious minerals. We need logging, etc.

We need balance, that is what will bring long term sustainability to us, and our environment.

What I don't have time for, is the enviro-nuts.


** I agree with you 100% on this.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
"In a little over a decade the world could be plunged into a 'mini ice age', scientists have warned.

Temperatures will start dropping in 2021, according to a mathematical model of the Sun's magnetic energy.

This, they say, will lead to a phenomenon known as the 'Maunder minimum' - which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715, even causing London's River Thames to freeze over…"

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...ni-ice-age-2030.html

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This next week is going to be the coldest I've seen it consistently for probably a decade or more.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
The problem with "global warming" is that it is ill defined, and in a planetary scale of time, "50-60 years" is nothing.

What can we see that is actually true?

Extreme weather, for one. a rise in the average temperature in the worlds oceans. There are other factors that are real.

But what do they actually mean?

Well, I'd like to see truth on the matter, and that truth is hard to find.

Only one thing is true.

The earth is in no danger. It will be fine. Long after we're all dead, the earth will remain.

So, perhaps the problem is poorly framed. We'll never kill the planet, even if we nuke it, on a cosmic scale it will be here unit the Sun dies.

When the Department of Defense is investing in solar power and taking other steps, I'd say that there are "credible threats" out there that are real, which are climate related.

I do like the ideas of many things about saving energy and "being green," but for me, energy independence from OPEC and the Saudis is a much more prominent motivator.

Some sort of balance must be reached, we need to live here, and we should understand that if we aren't a steward of the planet we'll destroy our food production, air quality and other parts needed to not die.

We need to drill for oil, and precious minerals. We need logging, etc.

We need balance, that is what will bring long term sustainability to us, and our environment.

What I don't have time for, is the enviro-nuts.