US Navy names ship after gay rights leader Harvey Milk: Transgender health expert smashes champagne on bow

November 06, 2021, 07:55 PM

OttoSig

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Ok, let’s be reasonable. Naming ships used to be apolitical. Subs were fish, battleships were states, cruisers were cities, etc. We starting naming dead presidents and historical figures. Then they weren’t even dead yet. Then they started naming them after people who either had absolutely no connection to the Navy or minimally so as in this case.

This is ridiculous and the only saving grace, if you can call it that, is that it’s a USNS ship. If all we care about is your trite “not running into things” comment then let’s just assign side numbers.

His honor has nothing to do with this discussion. I suspect you know that though and are just enjoying your trolling moment tonight. So I guess enjoy your heart out.

So him serving is minimal connection?, but "as a navy guy" was how you began your opinion...

That sounds awfully double standard.

I said it doesn't bother me and that upsets you. As though you feel it SHOULD bother me. Trolling isn't simply disagreeing with you. You JUST cannot formulate an argument as to why they should not name a ship after this man. If you don't like it so be it, you can feel that way but don't present ignorant ass arguments to me for your stance.

November 06, 2021, 08:05 PM

Gustofer

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
Is the man a dishonorable man?

He was forced out of the Navy for being gay. Used to be that earned you a dishonorable discharge.

ETA: NBC reports he had a "Less than honorable" discharge.

So there's that.

November 06, 2021, 08:05 PM

46and2

Nothing whatsoever is wrong with the ship's name.

November 06, 2021, 08:07 PM

V-Tail

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:

You would think that a Rear Admiral would have done the christening ...

November 06, 2021, 08:16 PM

Mars_Attacks

I bet it's filled with seamen.

November 06, 2021, 08:26 PM

corsair

Have you seen the other names of the ships in this class...

T-AO-205 John Lewis
T-AO-206 Harvey Milk
T-AO-207 Earl Warren
T-AO-208 Robert F. Kennedy
T-AO-209 Lucy Stone
T-AO-210 Sojourner Truth

Thank you former SecNav Ray Mabus

November 06, 2021, 08:28 PM

pedropcola

Otto, please tell us exactly what amazing story, navy related or otherwise, that Harvey Milk tells. He is famous for being a gay man elected to city council in San Francisco and subsequently being murdered by a political opponent who is just as famous for his Twinkie defense. This isn’t exactly a story of anything that deserves to be honored by the naming of a Navy ship. And yes serving a short time in the Navy with no particular high points other than getting kicked out doesn’t really move my needle much.

Let’s be blunt. Are you really saying that you believe there aren’t thousands of more qualified and deserving heroes out there that actually make more sense than this?

It is this simple. Once you start making it about politics instead of tradition and pride and heroism and historical battles where hundreds or thousands of patriots died for this country but now we are using it as a political tool to push an agenda we are going down the wrong path. You think it’s the right path or at a minimum no big deal. I think that is a losing position. We all lose.

Navy ships should return to the naming traditions of old. Remove the politics. There is still a place for heroes. I’ve never met a politician that I believed to be worthy of hero status on his political merits.

Who is that “admiral” in the health corps. Are they next? You really support this lunacy?

November 06, 2021, 08:37 PM

bigdeal

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Originally posted by cgode:
I don’t see where he said “names don’t matter”…..he said as long as the name isn’t after someone dishonorable….

Not a problem. How about these...

USS Johanny Rosario Pichardo
USS Nicole L. Gee
USS Darin T. Hoover
USS Hunter Lopez
USS Daegan W. Page
USS Humberto A. Sanchez
USS David L. Espinoza
USS Jared M. Schmitz
USS Rylee J. McCollum
USS Dylan R. Merola
USS Kareem M. Nikoui
USS Maxton W. Soviak
USS Ryan C. Knauss
USS Glen Doherty
USS Tyrone Woods

That should cover us for a while, huh. The list of appropriate and worthy names to honor is almost endless. Instead, this worthless, weak, moronic, administration brands a military vessel with the name of a person who's primary relevance in anything even approaching history is that he was a homosexual. So yeah, naming vessels matters, and neither it nor us should be dishonored by a perversion of the process to placate a stupid ideology.

Oh, and since my dear father spent two tours on two different ships in the Navy and ended his service with an honorable discharge, when will he be getting his name on a ship? I guess since he didn't dress in women's clothes or marry a dude he's out, right?

November 06, 2021, 08:39 PM

bigdeal

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
You would think that a Rear Admiral would have done the christening ...

I see what you did there.

Well played sir.

November 06, 2021, 09:29 PM

hberttmank

This fucking PC woke shit has gone on too long. Naming a US ship after a person who is not a hero but happens to be gay is just a bunch of bullshit.

November 06, 2021, 09:42 PM

flashguy

A US Navy ship should be named after a person who:
1. Is dead.
2. Did something in or for the Navy that was noteworthy.
3. Received an Honorable Discharge (if served).

I don't think this Milk person fits the bill.

flashguy

November 06, 2021, 09:46 PM

x0225095

quote:
Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
You would think that a Rear Admiral would have done the christening ...

HA.

Well done.

November 06, 2021, 10:09 PM

nhtagmember

Following this theme I expect to see the USS George A Custer, the USNS Benedict Arnold and the latest naval base to be renamed the NAS Cameltoe Harris

November 06, 2021, 10:22 PM

corsair

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Instead, this worthless, weak, moronic, administration ...

For the record, this ship's name (and others) was set in-place by #44.

Navy ship naming have been a mess for about 40-years, every ship class has exceptions to the rule to the point, that...there's no more rules. smh
Oilers & replenishment vessels used to be named after our nation's rivers, getting back to that practice and sticking to established naming guidelines would be a good start to avoiding disasters like USNS Milk...USNS Caesar Chavez and others

November 06, 2021, 10:36 PM

Ripley

Milk was key in enabling and empowering the Rev. Jim Jones. Did Milk miss Jones' obvious manipulations or was Milk willfully ignorant? Did agenda outweigh reason? As such, I don't see Harvey Milk as admirable.

November 07, 2021, 12:34 AM

bigdeal

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Originally posted by corsair:
quote:
Instead, this worthless, weak, moronic, administration ...

For the record, this ship's name (and others) was set in-place by #44.

Hmmmm, I though the current administration delighted in reversing everything the last administration did. Personally, I don't think the Trump administration actually opted to waste time on such things as they had bigger fish to fry, but you can bet the current group of circle jerk fanatics are all in on this sort of embarrassing stupidity.

November 07, 2021, 01:06 AM

Il Cattivo

44 = O.

November 07, 2021, 01:06 AM

V-Tail

quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
quote:
Originally posted by corsair:
quote:
Instead, this worthless, weak, moronic, administration ...
For the record, this ship's name (and others) was set in-place by #44.
Hmmmm, I though the current administration delighted in reversing everything the last administration did. Personally, I don't think the Trump administration actually opted to waste time on such things as they had bigger fish to fry, but you can bet the current group of circle jerk fanatics are all in on this sort of embarrassing stupidity.

President Trump was # 45. 44 was Obama.