US Army Helo & American Eagle flight mid-air in DC, both in Potomac
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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
This is delusion.
On that, we are in complete agreement.
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January 31, 2025, 06:58 PM
corsair
Nothing revealing but, some interesting insight from Mooch as he pulls references from Reddit (regarding the limitations of TCAS) and Blancolirio (showing the approach & pattern complications).
Probably most salient is the point about being a good co-pilot - you've got another set of eyes in the cockpit to help the pilot controlling the aircraft, keeping eyes up and outside of the cockpit providing positive information.
January 31, 2025, 07:13 PM
slosig
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
This is delusion.
On that, we are in complete agreement.
I’m glad I could get you two aviation experts to agree.
Let’s see what the final NTSB report says.
ETA: Mooch’s comment at 8:32 in the video corsair posted above.
January 31, 2025, 07:31 PM
sigmonkey
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Originally posted by slosig:
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Originally posted by sigmonkey: "72 hour rule applied"
Hmmm, what is the 72 hour rule? Do I have turn in my unitard for not knowing? In my defense, I’m fighting a miserable cold…
It's a thing I picked up in the USAF.
Not speculating about a mishap.
Often referring to the non-existent rule.
Similar to the SIGforum "waiver".
In Maintenance and Ops, much speculation was frowned upon as it served very little good, and in some cases was damaging to moral.
Words had a way of getting back to spouse/dependents.
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January 31, 2025, 07:32 PM
Browndrake
I’ve been involved with aviation my entire life. I have a bachelors degree in Aviation Maintenance Science, soloed at 17, have been personally exposed to a fair number of incidents, and had more than one acquaintance killed in accidents. It’s difficult, but I do my best not to speculate publicly on stuff like this. It’s impossible to know all of the facts this soon and it’s just not fair to those involved.
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Originally posted by Browndrake: It’s difficult, but I do my best not to speculate publicly on stuff like this. It’s impossible to know all of the facts this soon and it’s just not fair to those involved.
Question everything.
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February 01, 2025, 09:56 AM
Ronin1069
While tragic, there are no threads I look forward to reading than the aftermath of an aircraft incident. There are few other threads that offer more membership disagreements than these.
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February 01, 2025, 10:09 AM
old rugged cross
Seem's strange that the female helo pilot is not being named. The longer that is the case the more it seems like there is something to hide.
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February 01, 2025, 10:16 AM
justjoe
If the unnamed was a DEI hire, that is enormously important.
"You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone."
February 01, 2025, 10:26 AM
trapper189
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Originally posted by old rugged cross: Seem's strange that the female helo pilot is not being named. The longer that is the case the more it seems like there is something to hide.
Really? Half the country wants to find out the woman was a DEI hire or a transvestite so they can say “I told you so!” Why would any family want their child raked through the coals like that within days of the child’s death?
Case on point:
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Originally posted by justjoe: If the unnamed was a DEI hire, that is enormously important.
February 01, 2025, 10:39 AM
old rugged cross
The public has a right to know. If you trapper had a family member killed you would be ok with with the only one involved that has not been named to continue to go unnamed? I do not see why it should be a secret. My guess is if it was a man his pix and identity would of been posted with the other two guys as part of the crew immediately. It is wrong on every level. Saying she will be raked over the coals. That is not the point. She could of been a great pilot. But she should not go unnamed as a person involved, period. So why is that? Hmmmmm.
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February 01, 2025, 10:44 AM
justjoe
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trapper189 Savor the limelight posted February 01, 2025 10:26 AM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by old rugged cross: Seem's strange that the female helo pilot is not being named. The longer that is the case the more it seems like there is something to hide.
Really? Half the country wants to find out the woman was a DEI hire or a transvestite so they can say “I told you so!”
I don't see any reason to characterize the desire to know as some kind of narcissistic glee. President Trump raised the possibility of DEI immediately after the crash. We need to understand how/why this happened, and if the unnamed pilot was a DEI hire, that is enormously important
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February 01, 2025, 11:34 AM
chellim1
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I don't see any reason to characterize the desire to know as some kind of narcissistic glee. President Trump raised the possibility of DEI immediately after the crash. We need to understand how/why this happened, and if the unnamed pilot was a DEI hire, that is enormously important
Yep, that's right. And the more they try to hide from us the worse it is. People want to understand and they want course corrections. But you don't correct things if you deny them and cover up.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
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February 01, 2025, 12:49 PM
Icabod
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Originally posted by old rugged cross: The public has a right to know. If you trapper had a family member killed you would be ok with with the only one involved that has not been named to continue to go unnamed? I do not see why it should be a secret. My guess is if it was a man his pix and identity would of been posted with the other two guys as part of the crew immediately. It is wrong on every level. Saying she will be raked over the coals. That is not the point. She could of been a great pilot. But she should not go unnamed as a person involved, period. So why is that? Hmmmmm.
Understand the name wasn’t released as the family requested it. When the Challenger went down the news conference had questions like “When is the next launch?” The media is so terribly anxious to be first that all sorts of misinformation comes out. Let’s bury the dead with dignity, read the flight recorders and investigate what happened.
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February 01, 2025, 12:58 PM
jljones
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Originally posted by old rugged cross: The public has a right to know. If you trapper had a family member killed you would be ok with with the only one involved that has not been named to continue to go unnamed? I do not see why it should be a secret. My guess is if it was a man his pix and identity would of been posted with the other two guys as part of the crew immediately. It is wrong on every level. Saying she will be raked over the coals. That is not the point. She could of been a great pilot. But she should not go unnamed as a person involved, period. So why is that? Hmmmmm.
Just curious. Could you point me to where this (R)ight is codified?
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February 01, 2025, 01:02 PM
Krazeehorse
Is it possible the family fears retribution? It seems like a possibility to me.
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February 01, 2025, 01:16 PM
Stlhead
The right to know is in the paragraph after the right to privacy.
February 01, 2025, 01:30 PM
chellim1
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Originally posted by jljones:
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Originally posted by old rugged cross: The public has a right to know.
Just curious. Could you point me to where this (R)ight is codified?
It's called "the consent of the governed", and without knowledge there cannot be consent.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
February 01, 2025, 01:41 PM
jljones
Yeah, sounds about as legit as Bernie Sanders screeching is health care a Right?”
At this stage, no the pubic doesn’t have the “right to know” the identity of the service member.
