I feel sorry for you folks behind enemy lines. No warning, just a stroke of a pen as of 1/1/19. List at the link:

https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/o...qWzg4xd8N_hIbfl6bWhw

Safe today banned tomorrow.Why?

That list goes back for years. And the state doesn't just decertify on a whim a previously approved gun. It stays on the approved list until the manufacturer drops the model or doesn't renew the certification.

There can be other reasons but the AG, as much as a shithead as he is, just didn't grab a pen. If that were the case you would also see Glock, Sig, S&W and others in his whimsy list.

It's not good here but that's not what happens on decertification.

That list is updated monthly/quarterly. While draconian to those living in free-states, it's part of the racket that those remaining 2AM politicians in the state legislature and various gun lobbies were able to get the anti's to compromise on.

In short, instead of a complete and out-right ban, require firearm companies to submit and test each and every model (down to the caliber and finish) to a drop test. Pass, you get to sell/distribute in the state.

It blows but, at least we can still own handguns.

Another useless effort in the name of curtailing gun crime.

And no new guns with ever been added to the list because none have Micro Stamping.

/sarcasm

Well, there will be certainly no gang members shooting other gang members, innocent bystanders, crime victims, or other folks with any guns on THOSE lists by god....

I'm grateful the government was there to prevent such a thing....

sarcasm/

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Originally posted by TomV:
And no new guns with ever been added to the list because none have Micro Stamping.

Yes, this right here is the shitty part. No new guns will ever be on the roster because no manufacturer can afford to do this micro stamping bullshit. We can still get stuff not on the roster in PPTs, but those prices are usually double and sometimes triple the normal price.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Safe today banned tomorrow.Why?

Because outright ban would have been a step too big. It would have been met with effective resistance. Progressivism is the method of taking smaller, more deceitful steps to reach the same goal with less resistance. They gave the State a little control and now it uses that power to execute the true goal of a complete ban. What do we learn here?

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226:

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Originally posted by TomV:
And no new guns with ever been added to the list because none have Micro Stamping.

Yes, this right here is the shitty part. No new guns will ever be on the roster because no manufacturer can afford to do this micro stamping bullshit. We can still get stuff not on the roster in PPTs, but those prices are usually double and sometimes triple the normal price.

No NEW handgun has been approved for California sale since 2013. Whats on the list prior to 2013 can stay on the list as long as the manufacturers yearly submit three (3) guns for the 'safety' testing.

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That list goes back for years. And the state doesn't just decertify on a whim a previously approved gun. It stays on the approved list until the manufacturer drops the model or doesn't renew the certification

While the manufacturer may have to submit the certification, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t cost the manufacturer a ton of money to do so. There gets to be a point where a lack of sales force the manufacturer to stop spending money to certify something that no longer sells in a jurisdiction. Of course Kommifornia is perfectly happy to see venerable models of even Colt and S&W revolvers drop off the list. It’s a repeal of the 2nd amendment without violating the U.S. constitution.

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Originally posted by urbanwarrior238:
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No NEW handgun has been approved for California sale since 2013. Whats on the list prior to 2013 can stay on the list as long as the manufacturers yearly submit three (3) guns for the 'safety' testing.

And pay the hefty roster fee.

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Originally posted by TomV:
And no new guns with ever been added to the list because none have Micro Stamping.

Incorrect. I just looked at the “recently added link” (https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/recentlyadded.pdf) and there are two FN Five seveN models, both added 12/18/2018. Don’t quite understand that. Don’t know if FN implemented microstamping on those or if they got some kind of exemption.

Here’s the way the roster works:

As a manufacturer or importer (PW Arms did the P6 and continues to renew it), you go through a process to get a firearm model on the roster. You submit two samples which have all the required features at the time to an approved lab and pay their testing fees. From recollection, the guns have to fire 2500 rounds with no malfunction that are not ammo related, then they have to pass a drop test (don’t remember the details), being dropped x times in y different orientations without discharging the primed case they are loaded with. Once you get past all that, you get to pay the state of CA registration fee ($2,500 ? $5,000 for a one year registration. At the end of the year, you have to pay again to renew or else the model drops off the list. Lots of manufacturers stop paying the registration fee and let their models drop off the list once they discontinue them. Can’t really blame them - how much sense does it make to pay money to allow potential customers in Commie state(s) to continue to be able to buy used copies of your discontinued models instead of being limited to whatever of your current models are still on the roster?

If you are Sig and you make a basic black P229, a two tone P229, a reverse two tone p229, a diamond plate P229, and just for drill a titanium unicorns and flowers P229, then even those they are functionally identical and the only difference is cosmetics,that will be five different registrations, ten guns tested, and five annual fees to keep them on the roster.

Oh, and just to keep things interesting, they have continued to add “required features” that must be present on the gun for it to be added to the roster. They added the requirement for the Loaded Chamber Indicator, commonly know as the “&$#@*#% Shoot me I’m empty flag”, the magazine disconnect “safety”, and finally, microstamping for any semiauto (*&$#@#& Arnold *&$#head gubernator for signing that little gem).

A handgun must be listed on the roster for an FFL to be able to sell it to a CA subject. Law Enforcement officers are exempt from the roster, so most all interesting new guns in CA gun stores have “LEO” (Law Enforcement Only) on their tags. The options for a private citizen to evade the roster are:

A) Move to CA from a free state (are you @#$&*#@ kidding me?!?). Any firearms that you legally own which are not specifically banned (“assault weapons” or 50BMG (thanks again schwartzenidiot)) can be brought in. Of course you have to go through some process and register them, but seriously, what lunatic is going to move here?

B) Buy whatever you want from someone who already has it legally registered in CA. (This is a nice moneymaker for LEOs and folks insane enough to move to CA. Buy a gen 4 or 5 glock, a VP9, a P320, or recently a P365, decide you don’t want it after all and sell it. I haven’t paid attention to Glock of VP prices, but P320s have dropped to the point it isn’t that hard to find a used one for $1,000. P365s, which seemed to be $1,600 all day long, now show up around $1,200 - $1,300 for “unfired” or lightly used.

C) Intrafamial transfer. Have a parent, grandparent, or adult child living in Free American buy whatever you want and give it to you as a gift. While this is legal, you may have some effort convincing your CA FFL of it and teaching them how to do the paperwork correctly.

Any guesses as to why I can’t wait to get out of this communist hellhole?

ETA: There are currently 699 handguns on the roster (https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns).

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And pay the hefty roster fee.

This from the Calguns site: A manufacturer or an importer (and ONLY those - 11 CCR § 4070 and § 4071) submits a handgun for testing. They must supply THREE copies of the gun to be tested, and pay a fee. (Penal Code 31905) Fees are set at Title 11 of the California Code of Regulations, Section 4072 (11 CCR 4072) at $200 per model to initially get on the Roster, and $200 per model per year to remain on the Roster."

This fee per model. So if there are 18 different configurations of the same handgun... Colors, safeties, sizes, etc... Each one has to be submitted separately.

Why hasn’t the Supreme Court struck down this obvious infringement? What are they waiting for?

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Why hasn’t the Supreme Court struck down this obvious infringement? What are they waiting for?

I believe you have to get past the 9th circuit first.

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Originally posted by Sig Marine:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Why hasn’t the Supreme Court struck down this obvious infringement? What are they waiting for?

I believe you have to get past the 9th circuit first.

Correct.
Thanks to attorney Chuck Michel, outright bans have been prevented which has resulted in watered-down, but still heavy-handed regulatory policies.
This covers a lot about the handgun roster

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in the name of curtailing gun crime

Yes, but we all know the true goal. Complete disarmament of all civilians

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

There can be other reasons but the AG, as much as a shithead as he is, just didn't grab a pen. If that were the case you would also see Glock, Sig, S&W and others in his whimsy list.

It's not good here but that's not what happens on decertification.

I saw at least 15-20 Sigs on that list, including current models. I also saw a large number of S & W, Ruger and Springfields. Friend, it is bad there. I think you may be rationalizing it a bit because you are living in it, but you are being systematically stripped of your Constitutional rights, not unlike 1930s Germany, or any other rising fascist government.



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Almost like you've got to rent a room in Nevada, Get a Nevada DL, buy a bunch of guns, and then "move" back to CA.