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Fact Checking Trump's Wall Address - and the Democratic response
January 10, 2019, 05:58 PM
RichNFact Checking Trump's Wall Address - and the Democratic response
I couldn't believe this was posted on MSN.com of all places.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...r-BBS3Qur?li=BBnb7KzA few highlights:
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Post-speech fact-checking was particularly farcical. The Washington Post said Trump’s claims of “266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records” in two years was “accurate but misleading,” because it included all crimes. Huh?
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Another complaint was that Trump’s claim that one in three women in caravans were sexually assaulted; the complainer pointed to a study that said it was actually 60 to 80 percent of them. Trump had understated the case. Obviously nobody knows the actual numbers; a good guess might be “a lot.”
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Democrats understandably tend to shun these valid but hard-hearted arguments. Instead they insist vehemently that a wall, which many supported a dozen years ago, will inevitably be ineffective and must be regarded as “immoral.”
This first argument flies in the face of evidence. As American Enterprise institute’s Michael Rubin pointed out in 2017, Israel’s wall with the West Bank, Morocco’s wall with Algeria, India’s with Bangladesh, Hungary’s with Serbia and others have reduced illegal crossings to near zero. To the point that this year, Rubin reports France, Iraq, Lithuania, Estonia and Norway are putting up walls. “It is simply counterfactual to suggest that walls won’t work,” he writes, "willful subordination of facts to the politics of the day.”
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Trump made the argument more gracefully, pointing out that wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their property not “because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.” A backyard fence is not prison wall.
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January 10, 2019, 07:00 PM
gearhoundsThe leftist assholes won’t think a wall is a good idea until another leftist suggests it...again.
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Puckpilot78You just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
Mongo only pawn in game of life... January 10, 2019, 07:53 PM
lkdr1989quote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Jim AcostaYou just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV
"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV January 10, 2019, 08:01 PM
Ozarkwoodsquote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Jim AcostaYou just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
LOL
I was watching and I was laughing my ass off as he was saying that it was pretty quiet on a the border as he stood next to a large wall!
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January 11, 2019, 10:22 AM
gw3971quote:
Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
quote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Jim AcostaYou just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
LOL
I was watching and I was laughing my ass off as he was saying that it was pretty quiet on a the border as he stood next to a large wall!
I hope Trump has a news conferance today and he singles out Acosta for his great reporting!
January 11, 2019, 10:34 AM
parabellumYes, no one is "rushing" the wall, Acosta, you freaking ass hat, mainly because THERE'S A WALL. Good grief.
You need to go back to your alma mater and demand a refund, bright boy.
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January 11, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, no one is "rushing" the wall, Acosta, you freaking ass hat, mainly because THERE'S A WALL. Good grief.
You need to go back to your alma mater and demand a refund, bright boy.
He needs to go further back and demand reparations from the
Church & Dwight Company. If it hadn't leaked....
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
January 11, 2019, 12:33 PM
Phantom229I was reading a Trump fact check article and the vast majority of things he said were factual. They came back with “what he said was factual but...”. If it’s a fact and it’s correct, then what he said was factually correct. This anti Trump media gets bolder and bolder with their stupidity.
Situation awareness is defined as a continuous extraction of environmental information, integration of this information with previous knowledge to form a coherent mental picture in directing further perception and anticipating future events. Simply put, situational awareness mean knowing what is going on around you. January 11, 2019, 12:51 PM
John Steedquote:
Originally posted by Phantom229:
I was reading a Trump fact check article and the vast majority of things he said were factual. They came back with “what he said was factual but...”. If it’s a fact and it’s correct, then what he said was factually correct. This anti Trump media gets bolder and bolder with their stupidity.
You never heard them split hairs like that with Obama.
... stirred anti-clockwise. January 11, 2019, 01:04 PM
Phantom229quote:
Originally posted by John Steed:
quote:
Originally posted by Phantom229:
I was reading a Trump fact check article and the vast majority of things he said were factual. They came back with “what he said was factual but...”. If it’s a fact and it’s correct, then what he said was factually correct. This anti Trump media gets bolder and bolder with their stupidity.
You never heard them split hairs like that with Obama.
Never. Even when it’s brought up that Dems supported a wall when BHO was president.
Situation awareness is defined as a continuous extraction of environmental information, integration of this information with previous knowledge to form a coherent mental picture in directing further perception and anticipating future events. Simply put, situational awareness mean knowing what is going on around you. January 11, 2019, 02:42 PM
Rey HRHquote:
Originally posted by lkdr1989:
quote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Jim AcostaYou just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
Talk about getting owned. LOL
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
January 12, 2019, 01:17 PM
BamaJeepsterquote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Jim AcostaYou just can't make this stuff up. Famed buffoon Jim Acosta goes to the border and proves Trump's point that walls work. What a maroon!
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
- John Adams