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Fighting the good fight |
In a nutshell... a weapon design firm that had been working with General Dynamics on machine gun designs is alleging that Sig won the recent NGSW competition - and is poised to potentially win an upcoming MMG competition - because Sig has been utilizing illegally obtained trade secrets relating to their proprietary machine gun recoil reduction system, claiming that Sig had stolen this intellectual property after purposely hiring multiple engineers in the know on the program and misappropriating confidential data and design information. (The article is a little confusing, because there are three entities all working together: General Dynamics Ordnance & Tactical Systems, Lone Star Future Weapons, and True Velocity Ammunition.) And I'm not sure why GD isn't leading the charge on this. Not only are they significantly bigger with deeper pockets to go up against Sig, but also it sounds like the bulk of the 20+ years of research alleged to have been misappropriated is theirs, as were the engineers that Sig supposedly lured away for nefarious purposes, and GD itself had first challenged Sig on this issue back in 2019. Perhaps they fully washed their hands of the LMMG system when they handed it off to Lone Star in 2021? From https://www.defensenews.com/la...tolen-trade-secrets/
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Oriental Redneck |
Is there some law that precludes them from hiring these folks? Or some prior employment contract fine prints? Q | |||
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drop and give me 20 pushups |
Are they going to claim that Sig poached / lured disgruntled employees to gain insider information??? .................. drill sgt. | |||
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No ethanol! |
If designs were truly new and patented, they could simply choose to defend that. ------------------ The plural of anecdote is not data. -Frank Kotsonis | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Were there NDAs in place which the prior employees broke and subsequently, used the knowledge to "develop" the technology while on Sig' payroll? Did those prior employees actually know and design the plaintiffs' design or, did they only know the theory and develop something in the blind for Sig? Were there any patents or copyrights in place? Finally, are all firearms machined? I bet the suit deals with automatic, recoil absorbing, firearms. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Get on the fifty! |
I seem to recall Sig has been in hot water for this stuff in the past, but maybe not. Will be interesting to see play out "Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails." "We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled." | |||
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Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us |
Isn’t that True Velocity stuff that polymer cased ammo that is crazy expensive and no one can actually get it to fire properly? Think someone here did their own testing and had very poor results. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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Res ipsa loquitur |
^^^ NDAs, non compete agreements, employment contracts, and/or trade secret agreements may preclude hiring and certainly disclosure of confidential data. Years ago, I had a case where my client shut down an office and an employee went to a competitor to work. Long story short, we actually recovered emails between the employee and the competitor's sales VP going over confidential client lists and pending bids. All actions were in violation of the employee's NDA and employment contract. My client lost a 7 figure contract from this. The competitor ended up paying out the nose in a settlement and several people were fired. Pure speculation, but I'm guessing this is what is alleged. Is it valid, sour grapes or somewhere in between? Who knows at this point. __________________________ | |||
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Member |
This is typical during the Gov contract bid/award process. The key is to sow doubt in a competitor's reputation. Either way, SIG isn't beholden to the other company's NDA...if they hired engineers from a competitor, the engineers are subject to the NDA. SIG just has deeper pockets. | |||
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Member |
GD/True Velocity/whomever may have decided not to file a patent as patents are public record. | |||
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PopeDaddy |
Yeah. Most assuredly claims of violating the NDA. The employees are likely fooked I think. But more profitable to go after SIG. I could see this company getting part of a future Army contract as a compromise settlement. 0:01 | |||
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