I am wondering if there is a data base ?

wondering if 180 hospitals are on some kind of network ?

example:
how many people came in with verifiable g.s.wounds ?

how many people were treated and released?

how many people stayed overnight or longer?

how many came in d.o.a. ?

how many people did they not treat , just left the bullet in there ?

does something like this exist ?

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how many people did they not treat , just left the bullet in there ?

I’d imagine anyone who shows gets treated. I’m sure there are some cases where the treating physician elects to leave the bullet in place as the removal is judged more dangerous than leaving it, but I’d guess that the patient still gets some treatment.

Heyjackass has plenty of stats for Chicago. I'd assume that the percentages would be representative of other American cities. The FBI has a huge amount of data available; you can start here.

Many years ago, I watched a grainy video of a trauma surgeon presenting a lecture on gun shot wounds. He stated most patients shot with a handgun of any caliber survive their wounds while most patients shot with a rifle of any caliber do not. The numbers were surprising indeed. As I recall, it was along the lines of 6 of 7 handgun shootings result in survival while 6 of 7 rifle shootings result in death.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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how many people did they not treat , just left the bullet in there ?

I’d imagine anyone who shows gets treated. I’m sure there are some cases where the treating physician elects to leave the bullet in place as the removal is judged more dangerous than leaving it, but I’d guess that the patient still gets some treatment.

My best friend has a bullet in his liver that was left in place because it would have been more dangerous to remove it. It doesn't appear to be causing him any problems. (He was a cop and got shot by one of his comrades by accident in a night engagement.)

flashguy

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Originally posted by hjs157:
Many years ago, I watched a grainy video of a trauma surgeon presenting a lecture on gun shot wounds. He stated most patients shot with a handgun of any caliber survive their wounds while most patients shot with a rifle of any caliber do not. The numbers were surprising indeed. As I recall, it was along the lines of 6 of 7 handgun shootings result in survival while 6 of 7 rifle shootings result in death.

This one? https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...sco-general-hospital

I still have 158gr .357mag shrapnel in my chest. It is encapsulated, but I have x-rays once a year to determine if it's migrated.

The FBI UCR mentioned above is the best source of information on firearms incidents, but it won't go into all the specifics you asked.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:

This one? https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...sco-general-hospital

No. I did some digging. Here's the link:

I think he has too much time on his hands.

Elijah Cummings is looking for someone to shovel coal. Interested?

I have always read the same. Something like 75% of those shot with a pistol live. Move up to a rifle and especially a shotgun loaded with #4 or greater a persons chances of survival DRASTICALLY reduce. I have a LITTLE experience with LEO shootings and this holds true.

Pistols are great deterrents, I mean nobody wants to get shot, and chances are even a muzzle flash will quickly remind an attacker they left the iron on at home and need to turn it off NOW. That being said they are far from Phasers. A load of 12 gauge 00 buck is a WHOLE NOTHER paradigm shift. Think well centered burst from a Skorpian SMG. One round of .32....no big deal. 9 rounds on top of each other......BFD.

I heard that:

90% of people shot with a handgun survive.

90% of the people attacked with a knife do not.

It was said that knife attacks are more lethal because they are up close and personal.

Knives typically land more wounds as well. Point blank, no reloads, fast, disparate wound locations. Knives suck.

And as an asshole who was stabbed ....... by himself......I can attest a single stab wound bleeds ALOT....FAST.

My HD gun will always be the 12GA. shotgun. I base my choice on professional observation of its effectiveness.
As far as data on actual shootings, I would think that if a database was made, it would be made by a Coroners office.

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I have always read the same. Something like 75% of those shot with a pistol live.

Torso shots.

I never saw anybody who had been shot in the head with a handgun who survived it. Bear in mind that they were all deliberately shot at close range in the back or top of the skull.

"Gunshot Wounds" by Vincent DiMaio may be helpful. He coordinated a number of coroners sharing data over several decades.

I dont know about official statistics, but as a crime scene detective in a medium sized city with a very high violent crime rate..... I can tell you that the number of people who make full recoveries from what would likely have been a fatal gunshot 20 years ago is amazing.


Also, it is not uncommon for people to be shot in the head and survive. I had a guy shot in the head with a 5.56 two years ago. He is alive and lives a somewhat normal life. I would say that we have had a dozen or more people shot in the head and survive on the last few years.

Officer Jared Reston from Jacksonville, FL is a top notch trainer and has an amazing story of being shot in the face with a .45 (and shot five or six other times) only to return fire and kill his assailant. He points out in his training, and I can affirm through personal experience that the human body is very unimpressed by pistol bullets. Obviously, certain organs, arteries, and CNS shots can be fatal, but unless you turn a guys lights off with a well placed shot to the right spot on the head, bad guys still have some fight in them.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
I have always read the same. Something like 75% of those shot with a pistol live.

Torso shots.

I never saw anybody who had been shot in the head with a handgun who survived it. Bear in mind that they were all deliberately shot at close range in the back or top of the skull.

Agreed. I was thinking, for lack of a better word “average”, gunfights.

People are weird and varied and fairly tough animals though and plenty of folks have survived some pretty gnarly head trauma, although I imagine a .45 to the back of the melon is pretty much sopranos finale territory.

info here:

In 1 of 6 cases of criminal assault inflicting a gunshot wound, the victim dies.

https://jamanetwork.com/journa.../fullarticle/2688536

usual caveat of correlation / causation ...

also FYI JAMA is known to bend left in political mindset

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Originally posted by Jager:

90% of the people attacked with a knife do not.

It was said that knife attacks are more lethal because they are up close and personal.

that percentage sounds high but it sent me down the rabbit hole on knife attacks and found this:

https://www.urbanfitandfearles...t-knife-attacks.html

good info


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Remember when dealing with survival stats, our medical people have gotten very, very good at successfully treating GSWs. If someone shot can reach a major trauma center quickly, his odds of surviving go way up.