Even though it seems unpatriotic to some , I wouldn’t have a ford car. I’ve known too many folks who had negative experiences with the brand. I have had amazing experiences with Honda. I’m driving one Honda Accord that has 398000 miles on it and it drives as good as the day I bought it . I have two CRVs and they have been flawless at 75000 miles.
Nowadays Honda has plants in places in the US so I feel that I’m still supporting Americans to a degree . Maybe not but it wouldn’t matter to me as far as owning a reliable and affordable vehicle for my family.

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have never driven it, there's not enough legroom for me

V-Tail, you might want to consider these:

https://extendmyseat.com/toyot...-2018-seat-brackets/

They are brackets that extend the seat pushback. I have them in our 2012 Rav4 and they are wonderful. They added around 6" of legroom. Yeah the backseat behind the drivers seat is pretty much unusable when the seat is pushed all the way back but the driver is way more comfortable.

They were pretty easy to install too.

Seems like Chevy outranks most everybody these days.

Regarding hybrids, from what I've learned about them they don't really pay off if you own them long enough to have to replace the battery pack. If you typically own a vehicle 10 years (which seems to be the average for when a new pack is needed) or longer, the cost of a new battery pack will either significantly decrease, or eliminate, the fuel savings over the previous years. Of course this depends on a number of variables such as miles driven, area of the country, and the like so some may get greater savings and battery longevity while others will see less.

Also, what hybrids can be driven if the battery pack isn't working? I was looking at Ford Escape hybrids and learned that if the main pack was dead, or otherwise inoperable, that the vehicle would not run at all. For years I was under the impression that a hybrid vehicle could run on either power source if one was out. It was an eye opener to learn otherwise.

For my purposes, a hybrid needs to be dual-use propulsion and provide a guaranteed 20 years full use from the battery for me to change from I.C.E only vehicles. While mileage is a consideration - range, reliability, and longevity are greater concerns for me.

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Originally posted by Gene Hillman:
I may be the cheapest guy on this forum but I would certainly consider fuel mileage in whatever selection you make. Getting a gas guzzler and paying for it with every stop at the gas station just doesn't seem like a good idea unless you are independently wealthy or own an oil well.

The Toyota is listed at 41mpg Highway.

Correct. One needs to do the calculations to determine on gas mileage alone.
I looked at a hybrid compared to what we have now when I was shopping.
We would make up the added cost of the hybrid upgrade we were looking at ($1800) in a year and a half at current fuel costs.
And being that a battery swap is $4k-$6k add another 4 years.
So even if I needed a battery swap after warranty. I’d still be long long ways in the back simply for fuel savings, not including brake savings.
Toyotas Hybrids are super reliable and have plenty of longevity.
20 years is asking a lot and far more than most folks.

You are right, Black. I was going by the calculations of my miles driven over the past 10 years which averages out to less than 5k/yr. At that point, and at current fuel prices in my area, I'd break even if I needed to do a battery replacement at 10 years.

However, for folks that drive over 5k miles/year (which is probably the majority) then even with a pack change of $4-$6k a hybrid does still come out ahead in savings.

I guess I got tunnel vision regarding my use only which is low miles driven per year. And also only able to buy used, as new vehicle cost is out of my range, which means I would be doing a battery changeout sooner than someone buying a fresh hybrid.

If I were commuting the distance/time I used to everyday in Atlanta, a hybrid would make a lot of sense.

When buying new, I'm wired to only consider Honda and Subaru when shopping for utility daily drivers. I'm a believer in the quality, and in particular the resale retention compared to other companies.

When buying used, there really is a lot of other factors that come in and any particular deal could be a good one. I like the looks of the Bronco.

I enjoy threads like this because I have been buying only new Fords since buying my 1984 Thunderbird.

The secret is that not all Ford dealers are competent. Find a dealer with a great service department and enjoy.

Over the past two years I bought two Ford Maverick Hybrid pickup trucks. Both cost under $28K and get over 40 MPG. The Ford Hybrid system was initially licensed from Toyota. A very similar hybrid system is used in the Ford Escape.

https://www.greencarreports.co...g-up-most-taxi-miles

Based on the experiences of family, friends and neighbors, my estimate is that the Toyota/Ford battery pack will last about 12 years, and cost about $3-$4K to have a shop replace.

The cost of a 2022 Maverick Hybrid was $1,500 less than the ICE. For 2023, the Hybrid and the ICE cost the same. For 2024, the Hybrid is $1,500 more.

Why start now?

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Originally posted by r0gue:
When buying new, I'm wired to only consider Honda and Subaru when shopping for utility daily drivers. I'm a believer in the quality, and in particular the resale retention compared to other companies. …

I’m really glad you mentioned Honda. I’d never considered one before but we took a CRV for a test drive and it has all the amenities of the Bronco and drives even better than the Toyota. More car for just about the same money. We drove home tonight in a Honda CRV Sport L Hybrid. We also extended the warranty to 10 years/100,000 miles. I think it’ll treat us well.

I think the latest CR-V is their best ever. Looks like a BMW, but with Honda reliability. Would probably consider a hybrid. That decision would be my wife’s, though. She wants something smaller CX-90 to drive around town.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
I think the latest CR-V is their best ever. Looks like a BMW, but with Honda reliability. Would probably consider a hybrid. That decision would be my wife’s, though. She wants something smaller CX-90 to drive around town.

CX-70 is due out soon
Pretty much a 2 row version of the CX-90

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:


Seems like Chevy outranks most everybody these days.

Shame they didn't have enough data for Rivian or Lucid. I'd be curious as to how either would stack up against Tesla and the rest of the industry.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:

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Originally posted by sjtill:
I think the latest CR-V is their best ever. Looks like a BMW, but with Honda reliability. Would probably consider a hybrid. That decision would be my wife’s, though. She wants something smaller CX-90 to drive around town.

CX-70 is due out soon
Pretty much a 2 row version of the CX-90

Our '24 CX-50 Premium Plus has been pretty good so far now that it's been close to a year with it. The mileage hasn't been stellar, but then again I'm a bit of a lead foot.

Honda is a far better choice. Is that the new CRV or is that a Pilot?

^^^That's a CR-V...Looks Sharp too!

ETA - Congrats on still NOT owning a Ford!

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Yeah, it's a CRV. The Pilot was a little too big for Shirl to drive.

JD Power is not a reliable source for determining auto reliability. This has been covered ad nauseum all over the web for years and years.