https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...-attack-gun-industry

United Parcel Service (UPS), one of the largest US package delivery companies, has changed shipping regulations that will hurt small to medium-sized gun manufacturers.

AmmoLand News obtained a letter that UPS sent customers in the firearms industry specifying how as of Aug. 29, shipments of at least 50 handguns per day had to be sustained to use its 2nd Day Air service. Sellers who did not meet new service volume requirements risk losing their shipping accounts.

"Under the new agreement, UPS is only required to give customers a ten-day notice before cutting them off from the shipping service," AmmoLand's John Crump said.

Crump explained: "The volume necessary means that most online retailers and manufacturers are now cut off from shipping guns through the carrier unless the handgun is shipped using the expensive Next Day Air service."

UPS told customers it "updated its policy to adhere to nationwide regulations issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and a number of states."



Anti-gun group, Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, has pressured FedEx and UPS to adopt "a policy of refusing to ship dangerous firearm products that are fueling the epidemic of gun violence in America." Giffords has routinely praised the Biden administration's attack on the Second Amendment.

Some firearms advocates say anti-gun think tanks like Giffords, pressuring private corporations to change their ways is actually "backdoor gun control."

"This is another example of the woke cancel culture coming from the anti-gun crowd," Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America, told AmmoLand.

"The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, and by default, that should include the right of gun makers to ship their firearms to market. If UPS is going to act like an enemy of our Constitutional rights, then they shouldn't receive a dime of federal taxpayers' money," Pratt said.

The UPS change will only hurt small to medium-sized manufacturers. The anti-gun community figured they couldn't outright ban guns, so they would attempt to weaponize corporations to bankrupt gun companies.

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/...ustry/#axzz7eUGstVg6

Sellers who do not ship at least 350 handguns a week risk losing their shipping accounts.

Jib-Jab

UPS has added no additional requirements beyond federal, state, and/or local laws. Their policy states shippers must follow those laws. Find me a single shipping company with a policy that state “We’ll ship your illegal goods.”

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Jib-Jab

UPS has added no additional requirements beyond federal, state, and/or local laws. Their policy states shippers must follow those laws. Find me a single shipping company with a policy that state “We’ll ship your illegal goods.”

Not jib-jab. Two entirely different scenarios.

My mistake. The letter in the OP has nothing to do with limited on volume of handguns shipped. There is a copy of that letter in the link and I missed it.

It’s curious the letter in the ammoland link is only a piece of the letter and not the entirety of it. That letter is an agreement between UPS and a specific shipper to allow that specific shipper to ship handguns using UPS 2nd Day Air. It is not a template for all shippers. That volume requirement is for that particular shipper.

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Find me a single shipping company with a policy that state “We’ll ship your illegal goods.”

Illegal?

Some people bitch when you post the whole article, but in order to hold down confusion here it is. You have to go to the link to see the actual letter.


https://www.ammoland.com/2022/...ustry/#axzz7eUGstVg6

UPS has stepped up its anti-gun campaign by requiring online sellers to ship an average of 50 handguns daily to use its 2nd Day Air service.

Sellers who do not ship at least 350 handguns a week risk losing their shipping accounts. Under the new agreement, UPS is only required to give customers a ten-day notice before cutting them off from the shipping service. The volume necessary means that most online retailers and manufacturers are now cut off from shipping guns through the carrier unless the handgun is shipped using the expensive Next Day Air service.

The notice was sent to UPS customers that deal in firearms. UPS has been under pressure from anti-gun groups and politicians to stop doing business with the gun industry. This new move appears to be a way that UPS can cut ties to most of the industry without jeopardizing its major accounts.

The letter also references updating its policies to be in line with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and state regulations. This reference most likely refers to new rules surrounding privately manufactured firearms (PMF). But UPS goes much further than required by law.

UPS has been at the center of controversy recently when it canceled the account of a seller of 80% lowers. The shipping giant notified Ghost Firearms of Florida that it would stop shipping from the company. It also told the online retailer that it would “seize and destroy” packages currently en route to customers leaving Ghost Firearms scrambling for options. At the time, Ghost Firearms had more than $30,000 in products that were endangered of being destroyed.

A month later, under pressure from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, FedEx followed suit and stopped shipping unfinished frames and receivers. When one company bends a knee to a special interest group, the other is usually quick to follow suit.

Recently Giffords sent a letter to FedEx and UPS asking the companies to adopt “a policy of refusing to ship dangerous firearm products that are fueling the epidemic of gun violence in America.”

Some firearms advocates see this as backdoor gun control. Many gun owners buy firearms online because of the cost savings. The buyer still must pick up their ordered firearms from a federal firearms licensee (FFL) and be submitted through the same background check system as any other customer.

By requiring smaller dealers to use Next Day Air service, the cost savings disappear. Add in the cost FFLs charge for transfers, and buying a gun from a smaller online retailer will become prohibitively expensive. This change will hurt all but the most prominent online retailers.

The change will hurt small manufacturers as well. A manufacturer will have to ship 18,250 handguns a year or will be cut off from UPS 2nd Day Air Service. This number is more than the total number of guns produced by most companies.

UPS, which receives $252,016,057 in state/local and federal subsidies annually, is attacking an industry that helps Americans exercise the Constitutionally protected right to bear arms. This is not lost on Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America.

“This is another example of the woke cancel culture coming from the anti-gun crowd,” Pratt told AmmoLand News. “The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, and by default, that should include the right of gun makers to ship their firearms to market. If UPS is going to act like an enemy of our Constitutional rights, then they shouldn’t receive a dime of federal taxpayers’ money.”

AmmoLand News reached out to UPS for comment, but our calls were not returned.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Find me a single shipping company with a policy that state “We’ll ship your illegal goods.”

Illegal?

Yes. There are two letters in the links of the OP. The first one and all portions of the OP’s article relating to it is the Jib-Jab I referenced above. If you care to read it, you’ll come to find it says in a nutshell that UPS won’t ship illegal goods.

This is why jib-jab sucks. We have two threads about the same letter. While this thread’s article also references a second letter, I’m not going through all the reasons the first letter doesn’t change anything because I did that already in the original thread.

Here’s an example I found on the internet of a complete letter:



There is nothing in UPS’s terms and tariffs that mentions anything about volume of handguns. What the terms and tariffs do say is handgun shippers must use next day air. You can see by the letter above that seems to have been the case two years ago as well. It seems UPS will allow the 2nd Day Air service to be used to ship handguns if a shipper enters into an agreement with UPS to do so.

The letter in the link in the OP is only a portion of a complete letter that seems to be another of these agreements between another shipper and UPS.

This seems like another fake news article designed to get people riled up against UPS for whatever reason. It seems like people want to shoot the messenger.

Well, that's good. Thanks, trapper.

^That’s nice. I’ve stated what that looks like to me. What do you think it is?

You started the discussion and yet have added nothing of what you think to the discussion. Why is that?

You do that a lot. Is there a hip and trendy internet term for a person who just starts a half dozen threads a day, but never actually posts their own opinion on the topic?

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My nephew is an UPS driver and according to him, UPS wants 'all' firearm shipments out of their hands as fast as possible to mitigate the potential for theft of packages. Maybe that is part of the push for these new shipping requirements?

Most definitely, except there’s nothing new about that. When they do accept handguns for 2nd Day Air service, one of the stipulations is that they don’t get shipped on Friday because UPS doesn’t want the responsibility for holding them over the weekend. Who can fault them for that? When guns get stolen in transit, who brings the hammer down on UPS? They are getting hammered on by the same government that is attacking every part of the firearms chain from the part suppliers and manufacturers to the wholesalers and retailers to the individual owners.

But no, UPS is now out to get YOU! The brown shirts are coming to get YOUR guns! UPS is the one that’s ATTACKING you!

What complete crap.

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^That’s nice. I’ve stated what that looks like to me. What do you think it is?

You started the discussion and yet have added nothing of what you think to the discussion. Why is that?

You do that a lot. Is there a hip and trendy internet term for a person who just starts a half dozen threads a day, but never actually posts their own opinion on the topic?

I post stories I think are interesting. I don't claim to be a know it all like some people.

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

― Mark Twain

How cute.

Glad you liked it, I posted it just for you. And it is Sunday you know.

Ya you got me and the forum used to be a respite from poorly written fake news.

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Ya you got me and the forum used to be a respite from poorly written fake news.

Are you drinking?

OK, let's not get silly.

Hmm, so if I understand this correctly, the longer a package is in transit, the higher the chance of theft. Which means they're forcing small volume businesses to use 1 day service. To reduce gun thefts.

But if you're shipping 50+ handguns every day then it is ok to use the 2 day service. Which has a higher probability of theft.