I was sitting outside reading a fictional history book about Afghanistan and the British mission during the early 1900s.

For some unknown reason, I thought about my history professor LTC John Guilmartin at Ohio State and wondered what he would he would be saying during one of his lectures if he was still alive to witness what is transpiring.

Dr. Guilmartin had a twenty-one year career in the USAF where he volunteered for two tours flying search and rescue missions in Vietnam. He flew more than 120 missions over Laos and North Vietnam in 1965-66 as a HH-3E “Jolly Green” helicopter pilot. In 1975 he volunteered again and his crew assisted in the evacuation of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon and fired the last shots of the American military in Vietnam as his door gunners suppressed enemy anti-aircraft fire on their final sortie from the carrier USS Midway. He and his crew also assisted in the operations involved in the Mayaguez incident.
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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
No, I’m sure Biden didn’t personally make the call to leave those dogs.

But he’s 100% responsible. Not only as the Commander in Chief, but also as the current head of the party that has been appointing military leaders more concerned with climate change, fake white supremacy and paying for sex changes.

The dogs, American citizens and Afghan allies are all victims of the leftists and their policies.

Well, there is absolutely NO accountability with this 'administration.' biden won't answer questions (he's now 'allowed' to, after all ). He's not really the president, anyways, so when he says it's not his responsibility, he's actually telling the truth. We don't really know who our chief executive is - it certainly isn't president pudding cup. So, whoever is running the country, they are doing it in secret. I imagine it's quite easy to for him/her/them to make these disastrous decisions, knowing they will never have to answer to We, The People.

The state dept and DoD spokespeople, likewise, won't answer questions. They just spew out their talking points, turn their backs on the press (and us), and walk away. The media certainly isn't even trying to hold them accountable.

This is the most disgraceful episode in this country's history, and NOBODY is being held accountable for it. I'm equally disgusted with the military. The secdef and chairman of the joint chiefs (gen milley) are directly responsible for this catastrophe. They have a DUTY to advise the president. Even IF they did so, and this chaos is the result of the president NOT following their advice, they had a DUTY to resign in protest. The fact they are not doing so simply proves they are political hacks who care more for personal advancement than their duty.

I keep thinking they have sunk so low, they couldn't POSSIBLY do any worse. Then, I read that story about the dogs. It literally kept me awake at night, and I even dreamt about it. This makes me sick. I don't have the words to express how disgusted this whole episode is.

Then, that puke in the msm GUSHES on how biden 'had the courage to leave A-stan,' while (of course) blaming President Trump for the bad stuff.
Democratic ally's piece in Atlantic mocked as 'Biden fan fic' after fawning over Afghanistan exit

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...dy-came-out-n2595040

President Biden came under fire on Sunday after he was caught checking his watch during the dignified transfer of fallen U.S. service members killed in a terror attack at the Kabul airport last week.

But according to two gold star fathers, the president looked at his watch more than one time.

Speaking to Fox News’ Sean Hannity, Darin Hoover, father of slain Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, claimed the commander in chief looked at his watch 13 times.

“That didn’t happen just once,” he alleged. “That happened on every single one that came out of that airplane. It happened on every single one of them. They would release the salute and he’d look down at his watch. On every last one. All 13—he looked down at his watch.”

Gold star father Mark Schmitz also noticed the frequency with which Biden checked the time.

"I actually leaned into my son's mother's ear and said 'I swear to God, if he checks his watch one more time...' I found it to be the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen,” said the father of slain Marine Lance Corporal Jared Schmitz.

Shana Chappell, mother of slain Marine Lance Cpl. Kareem Mae'Lee Grant Nikoui, also noted in a Facebook post that she witnessed the president check his watch five times. Her Facebook and Instagram accounts have since been suspended.

I'm glad I didn't read about the dogs last night because I would have had a hard time getting to sleep but it sure started my day off in an angry fashion. There are no depths these scumbags don't travel to, may they all burn in hell.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

...This is the most disgraceful episode in this country's history, and NOBODY is being held accountable for it. I'm equally disgusted with the military. The secdef and chairman of the joint chiefs (gen milley) are directly responsible for this catastrophe. They have a DUTY to advise the president. Even IF they did so, and this chaos is the result of the president NOT following their advice, they had a DUTY to resign in protest. The fact they are not doing so simply proves they are political hacks who care more for personal advancement than their duty...

A pal is also retired AF and now works at PACAF Hqs. His thoughts about Gen Millie:

Think there are mixed reasons.

One is careerism. He’s drawing a big check now and he’ll draw a bigger one later as some industry consultant (a/k/a lobbyist).

Can’t do that if he leaves in disgrace. And if he left, he’d be totally blamed for everything.

Biden doesn’t want him to go because it would look like a mistake was made.

Biden is not admitting any such thing.

It could be that he’s a Democrat. Perhaps he has aspirations later of going into politics or getting a political appointment.

More careerism.

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Originally posted by mark60:
I'm glad I didn't read about the dogs last night because I would have had a hard time getting to sleep but it sure started my day off in an angry fashion. There are no depths these scumbags don't travel to, may they all burn in hell.

Same here...

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Originally posted by mrapteam666:
I have avoided posting on what has transpired because it enrages me...

I am going to post the letter I wrote to myself one night to help get rid of some of this rage.

I hate to admit that the other half may be right and I have to let the rage go and maybe I will get to sleep someday…

It sounds crazy but growing up (and I still do) I saw myself as the next Lawrence of Arabia for Afghanistan..

I feel all my experience was wasted by the Government and the military. I could have been an asset.

I am trying to return to the Middle East but this time as a contractor. I want to try Iraq but first I have to spend time in Saudi or Qatar.

Reading your post I'm wondering Why? Why are you trying to return to the Middle East as a contractor? Is it money? Some form of glory? Or because you think you can "make a difference" in the lives of Afghans?

I think this desire to return to the Middle East is not a good idea, especially now.

Afghanistan is a very corrupt place. That's the way things are over there. In order to get anything done, people have to be "bought off" or bribed. Nothing is above board. You aren't going to change that, but it will change you.

The United States government has gotten caught up in the corruption. It has corrupted our military. We never should have gone, we shouldn't have stayed, and it's best that we stay out. It's horrible how Biden screwed up this exit but that's no reason to stay or to return.

Until civilian leaderships lets the military fight… There is no more point in going to war. We learned a lot of lessons in the last 20 years.

I have no words for the dogs… Only prayers. What happened in Vietnam was awful and I thought we’d never see it again.

(Jebuss and the holy toast … we already have Afghan refugees here in Baja Alaska hanging out at the Costco.)

No reasons they couldn’t get back to Lackland.

Motherfuckers

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We learned a lot of lessons in the last 20 years.

From your lips to God's ears...

Just finished reading a post from my local men's group FB page. The posters coworker took his own life over this situation. Said he felt like everything he did over there was for nothing.

If anyone here is in that kind of situation. Your efforts were not for nothing. Never blame yourself for the failures of our leaders. If you need help get it, please take advantage of the resources out there and your family/loved ones.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
It could be that he’s a Democrat. Perhaps he has aspirations later of going into politics or getting a political appointment.

More careerism. [/i]

Not sure he had a party or, direction but, he was another milquetoast general who thought he was being apolitical but, ended up in a game he was not aware of.

He was appointed by DJT, once the press turned-up the heat during election season he kept stepping on his toes, attempting to clarify himself during briefings to appease the masses. With new POTUS once again he's caught flatfooted, unable to articulate or, simply stand-up. He's the embodiment of the corporate general, he's spineless and lacks conviction, struggles because he's too concerned about fitting-in. All his awards are participation decorations, he went through all the Special Forces training but spent the least amount of time possible in the SOF world. He's a career climber not a leader, he's said all the right things to impress all the right people, and checked all the boxes on the way up the ladder, he groomed himself for Washington.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The posters coworker took his own life over this situation.

Good grief, that’s terrible!

I usually have a pretty benign attitude toward suicide; it’s our life. But for something like that, if there was ever a need for counseling to counter the nonsense that’s spewed about why we were there, that would be it. And has been pointed out by others (a very few others, I admit), the U.S. effort there kept the country from becoming a haven for the types of terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 and the earlier attacks for 20 years. That’s hardly nothing. We should all be part of something that was so important and successful for so long.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Then, that puke in the msm GUSHES on how biden 'had the courage to leave A-stan,' while (of course) blaming President Trump for the bad stuff.
Democratic ally's piece in Atlantic mocked as 'Biden fan fic' after fawning over Afghanistan exit

The rose-colored glasses of his closest staffers and supporters is remarkable. They've gone beyond naive, they're willfully ignorant.
They've forced themselves, to not consider and ignore all the outcomes to this bumbling withdraw and the 2nd & 3rd order effects to come. In their mind, if they don't think about it, acknowledge it or, talk about it, it won't happen thus, it can't happen.

My first reaction to that K9 picture, well, let's just say my wife commented "What the hell just hapened?" when she heard my reaction.

Then I thought about it. Knowing K9 handlers I would like conformation on that picture and that the dogs were actually left behind. The handlers are VERY attached to their service dogs and I can't imagine that many of them willingly leaving their dogs behind like that knowing what fate awaits them.

several stories of Americans left behind. Gates locked to the airport

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...irpot-gates-n2595061

Pentagon Spokesman, today: “We have Americans that get stranded in countries all the time”

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:They might figure out how to fly them but there is no way in hell they will figure out how to maintain them. It won't be long before it will be suicide for them to get them off the ground.Jim

Thing is, Jim that there is nothing about flying a rotary wing a/c that is intuitive. I had one try-out lesson at vast expense, just to say that I'd done it, and I got out of that cockpit soaking wet from sweat and had to sit down for a few minutes to get collected [note the good chopper-y term, that].

One can only hope that these POS goat-lovers will kill themselves every time they take of. Landing is easy when it's a crash.

The Taliban are experts at destruction - not at any time in their existence have they ever been seen to produce, make, build, erect, construct or fabricate ANYTHING.

It's not like you can sit in a workshop somewhere and whittle a few Blackhawk spares out of old cart springs.

Here's the Gold Star Mother's deleted tweet....

He ‘Rolled’ His ‘F***ing Eyes’ Like He Was ‘Annoyed With Me’

Shana Chappell, the mother of Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Kareem M. Nikoui, slammed President Joe Biden in a post on social media for the way that he acted when the two met and for how he acted during the dignified transfer of the 13 slain U.S. service members.

Chappell wrote on Facebook that she was able to get “5 inches from” Biden’s face and look him “straight in the eyes” and “have words with” him.

Chappell expressed the pain she was experiencing of never again being able to enjoy her son when Biden “tried to interrupt me” with his own “sob story” and she had to tell him “this isn’t about you so don’t make it about you!”

Writing to Biden in the post, Chappell continued [edited for clarity]:

You then said you just wanted me to know that you know how I feel and I let you know that you don’t know how I feel and you do not have the right to tell me you know how I feel! You then rolled your f***ing eyes in your head like you were annoyed with me and I let you know that the only reason I was talking to you was out of respect for my son. …

You turned to walk away and I let you know my sons blood was on your hands and you threw your hand up behind you as you walked away from me like you were saying ‘ok whatever!’

Chappell said that if former President Donald Trump was still in office that her son and the other 12 service members would all still be alive.

Chappell also took issue with Biden repeatedly looking down at his watch during the dignified transfer of the 13 service member’s bodies.

“By the way, as my son and the rest of our fallen Heroes were being taken off the plane yesterday, I watched you disrespect us all 5 different times by checking your watch!” she wrote. “What the f*** was so important that you had to keep looking at your watch? You are nobody special Biden! America Hates you!”

Gold Star fathers Mark Schmitz and Darin Hoover also slammed Biden for looking at his watch during the dignified transfer.

“In reference to the checking of his watch, that didn’t happen just once,” said Hoover, who lost his son, Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, in the attack. “That happened on every single one that came out of that airplane. It happened on every single one of them. They would release the salute, and he would look down at his watch on every last one – all 13 – he looked down at his watch.”

“As a father, you know, seeing that and the disrespect, and hearing from his former leaders, one of his master sergeants said exactly what you just said, that this was avoidable, that they left them over there,” he continued. “They let them down, we can’t have that. It can’t happen ever again.”

Fox News host Sean Hannity asked Schmitz, who lost his son, Marine Lance Corporal Jared Schmitz, what he thought about the watch incident.

“I actually leaned into my son’s mother’s ear in I said I swear to god if he checks his watch one more time and was probably only four times in, I couldn’t look at him anymore after that,” Schmitz said. “Considering especially the time and why we were there, I found it to be the most disrespectful thing I’d ever seen.

https://www.dailywire.com/news...-was-annoyed-with-me

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
A president that provides weapons and money to his countries enemies is a betrayal.

Well...no. That would be the text book definition of TREASON and that old, senile, decrepit sunuvabitch should be held accountable for his actions. But he won't be......

90 retired Generals, Admirals call on Austin, Milley to resign following ‘disastrous’ Afghanistan withdrawal

In a letter released Monday, nearly 90 retired generals and admirals called for the resignation and retirement of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley for their contribution to the “disastrous withdrawal” of United States forces from Afghanistan.

The veterans slammed both Austin and Milley for “negligence in performing their duties” surrounding President Joe Biden’s “disastrous” withdrawal that left 13 service members dead, as well as hundreds of Americans, and thousands of Afghan allies, stranded behind enemy lines amid the Taliban takeover.

“The death and torture of Afghans has already begun and will result in a human tragedy of major proportions. The loss of billions of dollars in advanced military equipment and supplies falling into the hands of our enemies is catastrophic. The damage to the reputation of the United States is indescribable,” the letter stated. “We are now seen, and will be seen for many years, as an unreliable partner in any multinational agreement or operation. Trust in the United States is irreparably damaged.”

The letter asserted that if the two military leaders “did not do everything within their authority to stop the hasty withdrawal,” then they should resign — but even if they did and were unable “to persuade the CINC/President to not hastily exit,” they should still resign “in protest as a matter of conscience and public statement.”

The retired service members also blasted Biden’s border policy, noting that the hasty withdrawal “emboldened” terrorists globally “to pass freely into our country through our open border with Mexico.”

“Moreover, now our adversaries are emboldened to move against America due to the weakness displayed in Afghanistan,” the letter stated. “China benefits the most followed by Russia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and others.”

The veterans also highlighted the recent effort by military leadership to place “mandatory emphasis on PC ‘wokeness’ related training” which they said is “extremely divisive and harmful to unit cohesion, readiness, and war fighting capability.”

“Our military exists to fight and win our Nation’s wars and that must be the sole focus of our top military leaders,” the letter read.

“For these reasons we call on the SECDEF Austin and the CJCS General Milley to resign,” it continued. “A fundamental principle in the military is holding those in charge responsible and accountable for their actions or inactions. There must be accountability at all levels for this tragic and avoidable debacle.”

On Tuesday morning, when asked about how the Biden administration will use diplomacy to evacuate stranded Americans still left in Afghanistan, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said, “It’s not completely unlike how we do it elsewhere around the world. I mean, we have Americans that get stranded in countries all the time.”

Biden’s Pentagon Spokesman John Kirby: “We have Americans that get #stranded in countries all the time.” pic.twitter.com/VXH5vxAwlI

https://americanmilitarynews.c...st&mc_cid=60565a0b12

For those trying to reason away the damage of leaving equipment behind think about it a bit.

Afghanistan has rare earth minerals.
Therefore they have friends.

Sure some equipment will not be able to be repaired but rest assured they will not leave the $85 billion in military equipment go to waste.

You can’t put a silver coating on this turd.