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"leaders in evacuating"

Stultifying. I'm vapor-locked. I can't even formulate a proper response to this whatever it's supposed to be.
 
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"leaders in evacuating"

First to shit themselves.




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Leaders in evacuating, seriously we lead the world in leaving. I’m not sure what to say or think about this harpy’s statements.
 
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I could be a press secretary. I can think up plenty of stupid shit to say on the fly. This seem to be the only true requirement.

 
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What Team Potato Head is working towards...

The leaders in surrendering...yay. Quite an honor.

The leaders in abandoning our citizens.

The leaders in making hardcore fighting men sit around with thumbs up their asses, while their contemporaries go out and rescue their countrymen.

If its true an SAS trooper died ecently, and I hope its not, I'll bet you he took a shit ton of taliban with him.


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Jack has been on fire lately with some of his written posts, the below he takes aim at the stars. With social media and the ease of which to communicate, will be very interesting to see how many others join the chorus that the brass is bad.

A Time for Bold Adjustment: Fire the Generals
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In a recently released propaganda photo, a Taliban unit reportedly called Badri 313 hoisted the Taliban flag in a re-creation of the iconic flag-raising on Mt. Suribachi by U.S. servicemen in World War II. The Taliban have adapted to the 21st-century battlefield using social media as part of a public relations campaign that emboldens our enemies and continues to humiliate the United States, even more so because they are wearing modern uniforms, equipment, body armor, and weapons, weapons that look eerily familiar to me.

Tactically we are the most effective fighting force on the face of the earth. Operationally, we have serious issues in large part due to a promotion system that rewards mediocracy. Any frontline soldier who has been in a BUB — Battlefield Update Brief — with staff officers and their PowerPoints will be acutely familiar; rose-colored assessments that only got rosier as the graphs and figures were polished on their way up the chain of command. Strategically, we are a complete failure and have been since the 1960s. Once again, as the situation continues to deteriorate in Afghanistan, the frontline soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine will bear the brunt of their senior leaders’ failures.

It remains uncertain exactly how many weapons and how much ammunition we left behind, though estimates from the Government Accountability Office project our billions invested in the Afghan National Army include 600,000 weapons, 75,000 vehicles, and 200 aircraft. After twenty years of war, we managed to turn the Taliban into one of the best-equipped militaries on the planet. Nor do we know the location of U.S. citizens in Afghanistan. We have placed ourselves and our allies in a tactically disadvantageous position by giving up Bagram and consolidating forces at the Kabul airport. Right now, brave men and women are on the ground in Afghanistan executing the catastrophic policies of those in temperature-controlled offices half a world away. They will get the job done in spite of the generals and politicians whose policies they implement

Now, we are attempting to move U.S. citizens to the Kabul airport, relying on the goodwill of the Taliban to allow them access after having just armed them (and trained them) to the teeth. How did the Taliban end up with all this modern U.S. military equipment? Switching to the winning side is part of the tribal culture of Afghanistan and it is why the Taliban now have all the weapons we’ve given the Afghan National Army over the years. If we were not bright enough to pull this from the pages of history, we have our own experience on the ground in 2001 and 2002 to confirm what invading armies have noted for centuries.

Our senior-level leaders failed again. This should come as no surprise; they have a twenty-year track record of failure. One does not require military expertise or even need to be a student of history to note that common sense is not just lacking but completely absent in our general officer corps. One would be hard-pressed to find a commander in chief over the past two decades who has relieved a general officer for performance. The vast majority were promoted and many went to serve on boards of companies tied directly to the defense industry where they continue to profit.

We have the most experienced and battle-hardened military in our nation’s history. At the same time, those warriors have lost trust and confidence in their senior military leadership and elected officials in Washington, D.C. That’s a bad combination.

It is well past the time to clean house. It is time to change the name of the Department of Defense back to the War Department — which it was called from 1789 until 1947. The Secretary of Defense was called the Secretary of War from George Washington’s administration up until the National Security Act of 1947. We have not won a war since changing its name. Precision in language reflects precision in thought. If the nation requires a Department of Defense, its job is DEFENSE. The War Department exists for the sole purpose of fighting and winning wars. Those are two separate missions that require two different mindsets. Unfortunately, we have conflated the two since Harry Truman occupied the Oval Office.

The same military leaders who lost the war in Afghanistan, squandered the lives of America’s sons and daughters, and wasted $2.26 trillion dollars in the graveyard of empires — a number that does not even account for $6.5 trillion in interest as the war was financed on debt — are saying, as did the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, “there will be plenty of time to do AARs [After Actions Reviews].” They are insinuating that the time to look into what caused this current crisis is after it is over. As usual, they are dead wrong. NOW is the time. President Lincoln fired general after general during the Civil War until he got to Grant. George Marshall did the same before and during World War II. Lincoln and Marshall believed in second chances and forgiveness, allowing leaders to learn and prove they could adapt and apply their lessons as wisdom going forward. This prevented risk aversion; they understood the necessity of taking risks in combat. They also promoted those of lower rank who proved resourceful, smart, aggressive, thoughtful leaders rather than relying on a time in rank based promotion system which is clearly an abject failure.

As the media establishment publishes opinion pieces by those who presided over two decades of failure and cable news channels hire these same officers to bloviate as respected analysts, it perpetuates the problem and the cycle continues. Sideline this losing team of senior leaders and put in the next generation; those who actually fought on the battlefield.

There is a misconception that politicians lose wars. That has been an oft-repeated and popular mantra since the end of Vietnam. It has been echoed so often that it has become accepted as fact. It is NOT the truth. We need politicians, specifically a Commander in Chief and a Secretary of War confirmed by the Senate, who will fire generals and colonels not up to the task. Promote those who succeed regardless of rank and time in grade and fire those who fail. Without bold adjustments in the ranks, the next time we go to war, we are condemning ourselves to yet another disaster.

Tactically, we will continue to crush the enemy. Strategically, however, we will continue to fail as long as we keep promoting legacy officers on the basis of their time in grade, despite their overwhelming mediocrity. A drastic culture shift is necessary for an institution that has proven reluctant to change even in the face of obvious strategic failures. The military needs to boldly return to its pre-1947 culture of accountability. Without adopting accountability as a core tenant of leadership and promotion, our wars of the future are already lost. Firing senior-level leaders is an indication that the system is working and will go a long way in restoring trust and confidence in our Armed Services.

As Admiral Arleigh Burke said, “the first thing that a commander must learn is not to tolerate incompetence. As soon as you tolerate incompetence…you have an incompetent organization.” Incompetence is a common trait in our general officer corps. There is no need for courts martial, disgrace, or public humiliation; what is necessary is that we move out our current leadership and make room for competence. Trust both up and down the chain of command is the most crucial factor in any organization. Our tactical level units have that trust. When they failed or made a mistake on the battlefield, they have adapted and applied those lessons to future missions, passing them on to other units to make the organization stronger as a whole. Our senior leaders have only failed upwards since 1947.

Leadership is a privilege. You earn that privilege every day. In today’s military, you become a “leader” by simply waiting your turn and not popping positive on a drug test. That needs to change immediately.

Who are the next George Marshalls? I pray they are out there.
 
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As Admiral Arleigh Burke said, “the first thing that a commander must learn is not to tolerate incompetence. As soon as you tolerate incompetence…you have an incompetent organization.”


He would have had a stroke by now seeing this cluster fuck.
 
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As Admiral Arleigh Burke said, “the first thing that a commander must learn is not to tolerate incompetence. As soon as you tolerate incompetence…you have an incompetent organization.”


He would have had a stroke by now seeing this cluster fuck.

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They also promoted those of lower rank who proved resourceful, smart, aggressive, thoughtful leaders rather than relying on a time in rank based promotion system which is clearly an abject failure.

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....we will continue to fail as long as we keep promoting legacy officers on the basis of their time in grade, despite their overwhelming mediocrity. A drastic culture shift is necessary for an institution that has proven reluctant to change even in the face of obvious strategic failures. The military needs to boldly return to its pre-1947 culture of accountability.

The irony of that being Burke was promoted to the Chief of Naval Operations over 90+ other admirals by Ike. After the Navy's ship handling disasters of 2017, there was some light when Trump bypassed 8-four stars, to promote then VADM Michael Gilday (3-star) to his current position of CNO. Unfortunately, Gilday fell in-line and became another chair that the woke crowd would claim as he published his recommended reading list and encouraged the 'diversity stand-down' with the current SECDEF.
 
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I think that is a quote from Shit Tzu



 
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Mr. Operator did give off a whiff of Calvert in my opinion. I actually was going to ask if his wife was an FBI agent when he made another snarky comment.

As to the topic at hand, this whole topic just makes me incredibly sad. I also can’t help but think that we are in for an uptick in Al Qaeda style terror attacks here in the US over the next year or so. Once they have a solid base of operations I believe that we will see more professionally planned attacks. It will be interesting to see if a bunch more Inspire magazines start getting published.




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"leaders in evacuating"

 
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I am no student of Afhan history, but it seems there are many local tribes that act somewhat independently and form alliances / change alliances in response to perceived immediate advantages, insults, or disadvantages.

There may be a number of those tribes that will resist the Taliban. Such resistance will be made difficult by all the U.S. supplied weapons and material that the Taliban has now acquired.

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https://www.aol.com/news/talib...41436-104457086.html

Taliban forces have recaptured three districts in northern Afghanistan that fell to local militia groups last week, a spokesman said on Monday.

The districts of Bano, Deh Saleh, Pul e-Hesar in Baghlan province were taken by local militia groups in one of the first signs of armed resistance to the Taliban since their seizure of the capital Kabul on Aug. 15.

By Monday, Taliban forces had cleared the districts and were established in Badakhshan, Takhar and Andarab near the Panjshir valley, according to the Twitter account of spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid.

Forces loyal to Ahmad Massoud, son of the anti-Soviet mujahideen commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, have established themselves in the Panjshir valley, a mountainous area northwest of Kabul which resisted the Taliban before 2001.

Massoud, whose forces include remnants of regular army and special forces units, has called for negotiations to form an inclusive government for Afghanistan but has promised to resist if Taliban forces try to enter the valley.

Late on Sunday, the Taliban's Alemarah information service said hundreds of fighters were heading towards Panjshir but there has been no immediate confirmation of any fighting.
 
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Joe Biden has

Failed the American People
Failed the American Military
Failed our NATO allies
Failed the Afghanistan people

Yet he’s out and about like none of the above is remotely true. Welcoming Rapanoe and her whatever you want to call it that wants to subvert traditional marriage, to the White House calling her the best we have to offer.
 
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...her wife...
Not in my book

If that twat is the best we have to offer, that's a big clue, right there.
 
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100% agree Para.
 
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Leading from the rear. Leaders in evacuating. Must be some kind of spook talk for “opening a can of whoop ass and killing commies/tallybonbons for mommie”



DOOCY: "The President likes to say 'America is back,' but his policies have Americans getting beat up by the Taliban... is that what he meant when he said 'America is back?'"

PSAKI: "We are going to continue to lead in the world— including being the leaders in evacuating"



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The 'dumb' just drips off this nitwit doesn't it?


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I am no student of Afhan history, but it seems there are many local tribes that act somewhat independently and form alliances / change alliances in response to perceived immediate advantages, insults, or disadvantages.

There may be a number of those tribes that will resist the Taliban. Such resistance will be made difficult by all the U.S. supplied weapons and material that the Taliban has now acquired.

An Anti-Taliban Front Is Already Forming. Can It Last?

Let them know where the arms caches and other supplies are, and support them in their efforts to get them. The Taliban is stretched thin, with many of their units are inside Kabul, they have various units spread-out all over the country, attempting to wrap their heads around the fact there wasn't much fighting, now they have to 'govern'. There's a whole generation of Afghanis who haven't a clue other than stories of what the Taliban were like or, scant memories..they aren't going to like what kind of future they have, they'd best rise-up and take their country back.
 
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An Anti Taliban Front? Ah, Afghanistan. When one group of ignorant savages comes into power, there crops up another group of ignorant savages so they can continue to kill each other.
Thats what they have done forever, unless they find someone else to kill, like people stupid enough to try and occupy and pacify them.


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Mr. Operator did give off a whiff of Calvert in my opinion. I actually was going to ask if his wife was an FBI agent when he made another snarky comment.

As to the topic at hand, this whole topic just makes me incredibly sad. I also can’t help but think that we are in for an uptick in Al Qaeda style terror attacks here in the US over the next year or so. Once they have a solid base of operations I believe that we will see more professionally planned attacks. It will be interesting to see if a bunch more Inspire magazines start getting published.


Lol … Perhaps Joe has pancreatic cancer? Needs an excuse…





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100% agree Para.


Simpatico …





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