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So I have a front door at the new to me house. It's a double door they both swing out and meet in the middle. I have had 2 door guys come out to look at it and it's the same shit, you need a new door. They both seemed shady as F.

Well, it's hurricane doors and about $8,000-$10,000 for the project, old out and new back in. Frames and all. I just feel like this can be fixed wiht out that kind of drama. Happy to pay a guy a days labor to get it fixed.

Well, the doors are only 6 years old. They are hurricane rated, impact glass blah blah.

The left door is sagging down at the middle at the top.

So a few screws to make it tighter on the frame should fix it. I take a screw out and it is only 1/2 inch at the frame side. I pack it full of wood and run it back in. I take out the top screw, its 3/4. So these are too short and I can tell someone has already struggled with this.

I try to take a 3 inch and run it into the frame, it goes about 1 inch in and hits metal or concrete. Not sure which. Is there a way to get that in with enough strength, to pull the door back tight? I'm afraid if I drill it to add one of those plastic sleeves, then what if that pulls out, I am SOL again. It's going to have to pull some weight to get this door straight.

Not sure if a tapcon would be a better way to go.

Any help would be appreciated


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can you run a drill bit in the hole to get the appropriate depth?





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There's probably a metal plate on the back side of the frame, where the hinges are located. You could drill it with a 5/32 drill bit & your screw should run through it & into the framing.
 
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Wood frame or CBS? If concrete block you could drill through to the block with an appropriate size bit for a tapcon fastener which would secure it to the structure.


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Went through something similar but different on a set of double door that the original builder could not get right. Turned out it was a simple as finding the right guy to figure it out and fix.
Guessing similar situation for you. A good handy man in the neighborhood might be able to solve for you. Best of luck my friend.



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Checkout some of the Simpson Strong-Tie Fasteners offerings. Stay away from the cheaper Chinese mfgr'd fastners by others, everyone I have ever tried has broke.

All of these door guys are full of crap! My wife got a quote for a new entry door with side-lights and they wanted $10K. For $2,500 - $5,000 I could buy a vault door.


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I’d take a large square or a long (4’-8’) level and see how square and plumb the door frame itself is. I’m thinking the door wasn’t installed right to begin with. I don’t you are going to move an impacted rated hurricane door by popping a couple longer screws in the top hinge.

The code changed between when your door was installed and now. If it wasn’t installed right to begin with, that may be why you had two guys tell you a new door is needed. They can’t remove the old one, fix the installation, and have it meet code. What did they say when you asked them why they think you need a new door?
 
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If your door was installed incorrectly you don't want to half ass a solution. You may need to undo it all and redo it.

When you say "sagging" what do you mean? Frame? Door itself? Can you post photos?


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I have had luck on interior doors by installing flat washers between the hinge and wall, the tightening down the screws. I agree you want a longer than 3/4 screw.

In your case if the top is sagging put the washers in the bottom hinge. if multiple washers are required you might want to add some to the middle hinge as well.

There may be a need for a second person the help, like lift as you tighten or help position the door while holding the washers and pushing the screws into the holes and washers.
 
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Hurricane rated door with 3/4" screws?





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for the prices you're getting for quotes, I'd look into throwing out that door and putting in a single.


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You mention Tapcon which are concrete screws. Do you have block around your door or is it wood framing?



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