by Razib Khan from "Gene Expressions" Website

The 100 Million Killed Under Communist Regimes Matter

POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2017

Growing up as a child I didn’t know much about Communism except that it was bad. I knew that it was atheistic from the mosque…but early on I knew I was quite atheistic, so that was not a major issue to me (though the religious oppression was). There was a period when I was eight or nine when I was interested in military history and armaments. It was immediately obvious that the Soviet Union seemed to be maintaining parity with the United States of America, which impressed me a great deal (MiG-29‘s are still around!). Though I also read that it expended a much larger proportion of its GDP on that than the USA.

Even to me, it was clear that the Soviet Union was an authoritarian regime, but it wasn’t dramatically emphasized in the same way that the evils of Nazi Germany were. The Nazis had become dramatic legends even in my youth, but I’m old enough that in the 1980s and 1990s I also met survivors of the concentration camps, whether personally or during tours of schools. And then there was Schindler’s List. The Holocaust and Nazism, and the bravery of the Greatest Generation, were all prominent in our minds.

In the wake of the Brezhnev era, the Soviets were more sinister than evil, while with the rise to power of Mikhael Gorbachev they also seemed to be turning a new leaf.

Even after the fall of the Communist bloc in the early 1990s I did have later encounters with the ideology. One of my roommates, and friend, at university was an avowed Communist. Now, I knew of other self-identified Communists, but she was the real deal. She flew to Cuba to listen to a six-hour speech given by Fidel Castro at one point, even though she didn’t have the money for it. And, she seemed genuinely saddened by the shift of China to toward a mixed economy. It wasn’t just a pose. But I didn’t give it much thought. In the 1990s Communism had no future, so her ideological fervor struck me as a harmless affectation.

It was only later that that I understood the true impact of Communist ideology, especially earlier in the 20th century. Stalin’s and Mao’s political purges, and the tens of millions who died in famines. The death toll under Communist regimes is of incredible magnitude; without compare (though with parallel, alas).

It is fitting that Joseph Stalin is reputed to have been the one who said “the death of one person is a tragedy; the death of one million is a statistic.”

And yet whenever I dismiss and attack Communism for being an evil ideology I get a serious number of rebuttals from readers. Often they take the same forms as the arguments I read in Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism back in 1990s, which initially led me down the path of exploring Communism more deeply (despite being supportive of the Communist project in the generality, even Parenti couldn’t deny the atrocities, even as he tried to mitigate).

One argument I often get is that they meant well. This is in contrast to the National Socialists in Germany, who were exterminationist. To a first approximation, this seems clear…but as someone who is personally from rural “landlord” background, I doubt they meant well to everyone! The dictatorship of the proletariat was going to overturn the old order, and the losers were not going to be happy about it. Not only were they going to be dispossessed, but they were often targeted and killed. There were class enemies, and it was clear early on that revolutionary Marxists were not going to be gentle with those class enemies. They would liquidate them.

But whatever their intent, with Communism we have several repeated instances of massive death counts of the very people that the revolutions were supposed to help. The famine in Ukraine, the Great Leap Forward, and the Cambodian Genocide are clear examples.Then there is the North Korean famine the late 1990s. And the greatest decline in poverty the world has ever seen has occurred after the Chinese Communist state veered away from the regnant Marxist-Leninist economic orthodoxy of the 20th century.

Today we face a new dilemma. Since 1970 the wage gap between skilled workers and the unskilled has been growing in the developed world. The egalitarian society of mass affluence seems to be fading away, as a new era of inequality and immiseration is facing us. At least in prosperous mature societies.

I do not see any plausible solution on the Left or Right on the horizon. The populist energies that have been unleashed in democratic societies reflects this lack of an answer from the elites. They have no fix which will present opportunities for broad-based prosperity. And, to be frank, populists are correct in suggesting that the elites partake extensively of crony capitalism and enforce policies which are self-serving.

Into this vacuum are stepping radical firebrands on the Right and the Left. On the Left journals such as Jacobin Magazine are taking a “fresh look” at Marxism. As the above indicates I see where the impulse comes from. But this experiment has been done, disastrously, multiple times. There is no way any major state should risk this sort of radical socialism.I know that people like Bill Ayers call themselves “Anarchist Communists,” but in practice, they praise states like Venezuela which do not practice anarchism from what I can tell. All reasonable alternatives are better, even muddling along through a mixed economy.

Despite the empirical record of Communism academics, in particular, seem to have a warm and fuzzy spot for the Marxists. They “meant well.” And, not only are there abstract Marxists in academia, there are literal self-identified Communists in the professoriate who egg on violent agitation. Obviously, there are no Nazi professors. And yet Communism is given a latitude, despite its 100 million person body count!

And the body count issue is interesting because apologists for Communism regularly suggest that these numbers may be exaggerated. Refutations of the statistics for the Chinese famine suggest that it was closer to 10 million, rather than 45 million. This is like saying the Nazi regime has been slandered, because they killed 2 million, as opposed to 6 million, Jews. Quibbling over numbers in a passionate manner like this is the domain of Holocaust deniers, and yet with Communism, I encounter this regularly.

In conclusion, I don’t ever want to hear about how “true socialism has never been done.” The only socialism which is acceptable are the “less true” socialisms, the inept French kind with all its regulations, the high taxation Scandinavian variety, and those states which dabble in the commanding heights, but don’t fully commit. Gale force socialism too often leads to genocide and makes as much sense in practice as crazy libertarianism which attempts to privatize all sidewalks.

Finally, granting that Communists had their hearts in the right places, what did they end up accomplishing? Yes, perhaps one hundred million died, but that was in the past. But what are post-Communist countries like today? The Russian state is now a right-wing nationalist authoritarian regime. The Communists were famously anti-racist, and I believe sincerely so. But sixty years of enforced anti-racism led to a populace which is notoriously racist against colored people once given freedom to make up their own mind (Moscow is considered a dangerous place for non-white people to travel without caution). North Korea is constitutionally racist at this point, and China’s authoritarianism is probably one of the major reasons that its populist nationalism is kept in check. And similar things might be said about gender egalitarianism and the subordinate relationships of women to men in post-Communist regimes. The Communist orders were long on rhetoric, but short on actually figuring out a way to change hearts and minds

And yet here we are when many proudly boast their sympathies with Communism and Communist regimes of yore. It doesn’t matter how many “mistakes” those regimes committed, it’s just an “experiment” which is too good to not try again….

Addendum: I recommend The New York Times series Red Century. I do think a detailed ethnographic portrait of Communists is warranted and interesting. But I also do think too many of the pieces see the movement and period through a rose-tinted filter.

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There is a special type of thought process employed by the communist/socialist sympathizers - equal parts daydreaming and Alzheimers.

They daydream that miracles will come out of proven-bad ideas, and forget all about the history that has repeatedly disproven them.

I never understood why the commies always got such a free pass on the atrocity meter and Nazi Germany is the poster child for it. It isn't either/or of course, both are horrifically evil, yet the body count for the commies dwarfs anything else in human history and it is recent history at that.

It is fitting that Joseph Stalin is reputed to have been the one who said “the death of one person is a tragedy; the death of one million is a statistic.”

Best quote. Sounds like how the United Nations thinks.

Strambo, because of the whole Nazi white supremacist and genocide aspect. For leftists it is just perfect for pushing the white guilt talking point.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Strambo, because of the whole Nazi white supremacist and genocide aspect. For leftists it is just perfect for pushing the white guilt talking point.

Yeah,

Kill 6 million because you are racist = evil. Kill 100 million because you are a communist = failed "experiment" we'll get it right next time.

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Originally posted by Strambo:
I never understood why the commies always got such a free pass on the atrocity meter and Nazi Germany is the poster child for it. It isn't either/or of course, both are horrifically evil, yet the body count for the commies dwarfs anything else in human history and it is recent history at that.

Because they didn't loose the war and it's taken decades for the truth to trickle out.
Also, they blamed some of their atrocities on the Germans such as Katyn Forest massacre.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Because they didn't loose the war and it's taken decades for the truth to trickle out.

Yup. History gets written by the winners.

When I was in the fifth grade, I had a female teacher who had escaped communism in what is now the Chech republic. She often spoke of the horrors of it.
You could see the horror in her eyes when she told the stories.

Later in life I worked with a man whose father had not only escaped a communist country but while he lived there, he worked with the CIA, feeding them info.
One day at his place of business, he was murdered. He had always told his son, he knew one day the commies would find him and kill him. He said that they never give up, no matter how long it took.

I guess he was right.

The funny thing is Facism is the same as Communism in practice.

Nazi Germany was a totalitarian dictatorship where the government controlled everything.

Communist Russia was a totalitarian dictatorship where the government controlled everything.

The only difference is that Communism claims "The People" control everything, and everyone is equal (equally poor). Funny how all the "People's Republics" are controlled by rich dictators, or a single political party that enriches itself at the expense of its people.

The two ideologies are identical in all actual implementations, except Facism is more honest about what it is, and Communism misrepresents itself.

It is true that no real "worker's revolution" has ever actually occurred as Marx predicted it would, which is why the academics insist it's never been done "right". That is true. But history has proven that it is impossible to implement "true" Communism on a national scale because it simply does not work and cannot ever be implemented as intended. Communism is simply a marketing scheme to get public support for what is really a Facist dictatorship, and brainwash the people into thinking it is good for them.

Why the loony left calls Trump and other Republicans Facists I'll never understand. I don't think Trump or the Republicans have ever said the government should own and control everything - quite the opposite in fact. But the left keeps pushing for more government control. Who's the real Facists?

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Originally posted by Aquabird:
When I was in the fifth grade, I had a female teacher who had escaped communism in what is now the Chech republic. She often spoke of the horrors of it.
You could see the horror in her eyes when she told the stories.

Later in life I worked with a man whose father had not only escaped a communist country but while he lived there, he worked with the CIA, feeding them info.
One day at his place of business, he was murdered. He had always told his son, he knew one day the commies would find him and kill him. He said that they never give up, no matter how long it took.

I guess he was right.

My wife's grandmother lived through the Holodomor in Ukraine 1932-1933 and the stories re-told to me are truely beyond pale.

My wife is 34, she still has her Soviet birh certificate .... she is a staunch capitalist as arre her family....

read the The Gulag Archipelago....this is Communism / Socialism.

Somehow my mother's parents and my father survived the Holodomor and came here from the Ukraine.

My dad actually came to America as an infant during WW2. My parents achieved the American Dream after surviving both Communism an Nazis.

People ask me why I never learned to speak Ukrainian since both my parents are from there. It's because my parents believed in total assimilation...we were no longer Ukrainian, but all American.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
The funny thing is Facism is the same as Communism in practice.

Nazi Germany was a totalitarian dictatorship where the government controlled everything.

Communist Russia was a totalitarian dictatorship where the government controlled everything.

The only difference is that Communism claims "The People" control everything, and everyone is equal (equally poor). Funny how all the "People's Republics" are controlled by rich dictators, or a single political party that enriches itself at the expense of its people.

The two ideologies are identical in all actual implementations, except Facism is more honest about what it is, and Communism misrepresents itself.

It is true that no real "worker's revolution" has ever actually occurred as Marx predicted it would, which is why the academics insist it's never been done "right". That is true. But history has proven that it is impossible to implement "true" Communism on a national scale because it simply does not work and cannot ever be implemented as intended. Communism is simply a marketing scheme to get public support for what is really a Facist dictatorship, and brainwash the people into thinking it is good for them.

Why the loony left calls Trump and other Republicans Facists I'll never understand. I don't think Trump or the Republicans have ever said the government should own and control everything - quite the opposite in fact. But the left keeps pushing for more government control. Who's the real Facists?

Often on this board I'll read a post from a member that is intelligent and extraordinarily insightful, and articulates my thoughts and feelings far better than I ever could. I save such posts for re-reading. This is one of them.