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Yeah...it was a hoax. Imagine that...another leftist attempt to take down the Church. They are persistent motherfuckers aren't they?

https://thefederalist.com/2024...ally-a-massive-hoax/

The Discovery Of ‘Mass Graves’ Of Indigenous Canadian Children Was Actually A Massive Hoax

Three years after reports of indigenous mass graves triggered the torching or vandalism of 85-plus churches, no graves have been found.

Three years ago, a major story broke in Canada that seemed to confirm every left-wing prejudice against Christians imaginable: A mass grave containing the remains of indigenous children was supposedly discovered on the grounds of what had once been a government boarding school run by the Catholic Church.

It turns out the whole thing was a hoax, a modern-day blood libel against Christians that ended with at least 85 Catholic churches across Canada destroyed by arson, vandalized, or desecrated. Canadian political and civil society leaders cheered on this destruction — and then doled out hundreds of millions of dollars to investigate the mass graves and create a “support fund” for indigenous people.

To this day, no human remains have been recovered at the site of the alleged mass grave, despite nearly $8 million spent looking for them.

You won’t hear the corporate press report on this story now, but in the summer of 2021, it was everywhere. And no wonder, it had all the elements of a just-so story. The mere historical existence of these former boarding schools, which operated from the 1860s to the 1990s, remains a source of outrage among liberal Canadians. The residential school system, as it was called, often separated indigenous Canadian children from their families and communities, forcing them to attend chronically underfunded government schools, the purpose of which was to assimilate and acculturate indigenous Canadians into European Canadian society.

The history here was bad enough — a racist outrage, as far as Canadian liberals were concerned. But then came news of the mass graves. The Catholic priests and nuns who ran the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia had, it seemed, callously discarded the corpses of hundreds of dead schoolchildren in mass graves on the school grounds. Or so said the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation, which claimed that ground-penetrating radar had revealed the remains near the site of the former school.

In a healthy society, an explosive claim of this sort would have been subject to at least some critical scrutiny. But Canada, like the U.S., is not a healthy society. Major outlets like CNN, NPR, and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation simply regurgitated the claim as a verified fact, couching their coverage in the most hyperbolic terms possible. CNN called it an “unthinkable” discovery. The Washington Post declared the story had “dragged the horror of Canada’s mistreatment of Indigenous people back into the spotlight.”

Canadian politicians followed suit. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ordered flags to be lowered to half-mast and demanded Pope Francis come to Canada and apologize (which he did, a year later). Trudeau said the discovery “is a painful reminder of that dark and shameful chapter of our country’s history.” British Columbia Premier John Horgan said he was “horrified and heartbroken.” The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said it was “a large scale human rights violation,” and called on Canada and the Vatican to investigate.

Canadian tribal leaders went further, saying the purported discovery was evidence of “mass murder of indigenous people,” and an “attempted genocide.” They compared the priests and nuns who ran these schools to Nazis.

Amid this escalating rhetoric came the arson. Churches across Canada, most of them Catholic and some more than a century old, were burned to the ground in retaliation. Not a few of the targeted churches belonged to indigenous congregations. Many of them were beautiful, historic churches. One was a Coptic Orthodox Church — never mind that the Coptic Orthodox Church had no historical connection to Canada’s residential schools. Churches that weren’t completely destroyed were vandalized, many of them with the words “charge the priests” scrawled in red paint.

In many cases, local law enforcement had no comment. Trudeau said he understood the anger driving the attacks. Harsha Walia, the executive director of the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association, tweeted, “Burn it all down.”

It was pretty obvious at the time that this was all a moral panic, ginned up by an indigenous tribe and cheered on by liberal elites who hate Western civilization in general and Christianity in particular. As my erstwhile Federalist colleague Chris Bedford reported at the time, the mass unmarked grave at Kamloops, and the hundreds of other such graves supposedly discovered at the site of other former schools that summer, were not what the outraged left said they were.

In almost every case, they weren’t mass graves, but individual graves, and they were located in cemeteries. “The reason the graves are ‘unmarked’ is that the wooden crosses used to mark them and the fence that kept them safe decayed,” Bedford wrote. “In other words, people have found that an old cemetery contained bodies.” It’s worth noting that they used wooden crosses because the government refused to pay for headstones. It’s also worth noting that these cemeteries don’t just contain the graves of schoolchildren but also of priests and nuns and other members of these communities. Indeed, many of these old cemeteries with unmarked, individual graves, were detailed in a Truth and Reconciliation Commission report released nearly a decade ago.

So there was no cover-up and no mass graves, just a complicated and nuanced history. But it’s a history Canada’s ruling political and media elite aren’t interested in exploring honestly.

Today, nearly three years after dozens of churches across Canada (and a few in the U.S.) were destroyed, there is not a shred of physical evidence for the claims that kicked off the hoax, despite millions of dollars spent on fieldwork, records searches, and securing the residential school grounds at Kamloops.

How could this be? After all, the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation had claimed ground-penetrating radar revealed mass graves at Kamloops. Chief Rosanne Casimir said at a news conference, “It’s a harsh reality and it’s our truth, it’s our history. And it’s something that we’ve always had to fight to prove. To me, it’s always been a horrible, horrible history.”

Asked recently about the $8 million allocated to uncover the truth about the mass graves, the Tk’emlups te Secwepemc First Nation declined to comment.

The whole thing, it turns out, was a rank fiction — a blood libel cooked up to peddle historical grievances, provoke a moral panic, and demonize the Catholic Church and all Anglo Canadians. It worked. And now, three years later, you won’t hear a word from the politicians, media outlets, and liberal activists who perpetrated it.

Understand this dark episode for what it is: a battle in an ongoing cultural war against Western civilization — a war the West is losing.


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The NY Post reported this hoax August last year.

After two years of horror stories about the alleged mass graves of Indigenous children at residential schools across Canada, a series of recent excavations at suspected sites has turned up no human remains.

Some academics and politicians say it’s further evidence that the stories are unproven.

Minegoziibe Anishinabe, a group of indigenous people also known as Pine Creek First Nation, excavated 14 sites in the basement of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows Catholic Church near the Pine Creek Residential School in Manitoba during four weeks this summer.

The so-called “anomalies” were first detected using ground-penetrating radar, but on Aug. 18, Chief Derek Nepinak of remote Pine Creek Indian Reserve said no remains were found.

He also referred to the effort as the “initial excavation,” leading some who were skeptical of the original claims to think even more are planned.

“I don’t like to use the word hoax because it’s too strong but there are also too many falsehoods circulating about this issue with no evidence,” Jacques Rouillard, a professor emeritus in the Department of History at the Université de Montréal, told The Post Wednesday.

Nonetheless, he welcomes more excavations because of the enormous adverse publicity and stain left on Canada after the first reports of the alleged mass graves.

“This has all been very dark for Canada. We need more excavations so we can know the truth,” Rouillard said. “Too much was said and decided upon before there was any proof.”

In May 2021, the leaders of the British Columbia First Nation Band Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc announced the discovery of a mass grave of more than 200 Indigenous children detected via ground-penetrating radar at a residential school in British Columbia. The radar found “anomalies” in the soil but no proof of actual human remains.

“We had a knowing in our community that we were able to verify. To our knowledge, these missing children are undocumented deaths,” Rosanne Casimir, chief of the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, said in a statement on May 27, 2021. (Casimir did not return a call from The Post this week.)

The band called the discovery “Le Estcwicwéy̓” — or “the missing.”

Pine Creek and Kamloops were among a network of residential schools across Canada, run by the government and operated by churches from the 1880s through the end of the 20th century. Experts say an estimated 150,000 children attended the schools.

But until last week, there hadn’t been any excavations in the alleged burial spots. There still have been no excavations at Kamloops nor any dates set for any such work to commence.

That didn’t stop many in Canada from painting a demonic picture of the residential schools and those who staffed them.

“The system forcibly separated children from their families for extended periods of time and forbade them to acknowledge their Indigenous heritage and culture or to speak their own languages,” according to the website of the First Nations and Indigenous Studies of the University of British Columbia.

Assembly of First Nations Grand Chief RoseAnne Archibald told the BBC in August 2021 that the residential school policy was “designed to kill, and we’re seeing proof of that …”

Within days of the Kamloops announcement, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau decreed, partly at the request of tribal leaders, that all flags on federal buildings fly at half-staff. The Canadian government and provincial authorities pledged about $320 million to fund more research and in December pledged another $40 billion involving First Nations child-welfare claim settlements that partially compensate some residential school attendees.

Pope Francis issued a formal apology on behalf of the Catholic Church, which ran many of the residential school facilities, and asked for God’s forgiveness.

A number of writers, academics and politicians like Rouillard have come out cautioning against the claim that hundreds or thousands of children are buried at the school, but they have been labeled “genocide deniers” — even though many of the skeptics do not dispute that conditions at the schools were often harsh.

“The evidence does not support the overall gruesome narrative put forward around the world for several years, a narrative for which verifiable evidence has been scarce, or non-existent,” James C. McCrae, a former attorney general for Manitoba, wrote in an essay published last year.

McCrae resigned from his position on a government panel in May after his views on residential schools outraged Indigenous groups and other activists and politicians.

Tom Flanagan, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Calgary, told The Post Wednesday that he sees the issue as a “moral panic” similar to the hysteria over repressed memories and alleged Satanic cults in schools in the US in the 1980s and ’90s.

“People believe things that are not true or improbable and they continue to believe it even when no evidence turns up,” Flanagan said. “People seem to double down on their conviction that something happened.”

Eldon Yellowhorn, a professor and founding chair of the Indigenous studies department at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, told The Post last year that he too was cautious about the veracity of some of the more highly charged claims.

Yellowhorn, a member of the Blackfoot Nation, had been hired by Canada’s powerful Truth and Reconciliation Commission to search for and identify gravesites of Indigenous children at the residential schools. But he said then that many of the graves he found were from actual cemeteries and it wasn’t clear how they died.


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Yet another example of how an something can spread like wildfire unchecked, do real damage, and be proved to be a big to-do about nothing.




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Yet another example of how an something can spread like wildfire unchecked, do real damage, and be proved to be a big to-do about nothing.


These things only spread like wildfire among those that already want to believe them to be true.




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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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Re: “despite nearly $8 million spent looking for them.”

I hope that the perpetrators of the hoax get billed for those costs.

Yeah, not likely.



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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.


No they were not.


Trail of tears?





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Interesting. . .

No mention of “reparations” in either of the articles posted, which is unusual because these are often demanded following claims of ‘injustices’ and such.


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I don’t think the Catholic Church really needs things made up to point out how horrible they are, all things considered.





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I have an explanation for why no bodies were found...the priests must have eaten the children! (No, I am not serious, but how long before we hear the commies offer that up as an "explanation")?

How many of the church arsonists were identified and prosecuted? Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.


No they were not.


Trail of tears?


That being one of them.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.


No they were not.


Here's one thing I say: the descendants of slaves brought over from Africa and exploited here are better off than the natives in different countries that were exploited in their own country.

You just need to look at the current conditions of the different countries that were colonized and exploited by the different European imperialists. If you're going to say those natives did that to themselves and were not a result of conditioning of having been colonized, I point you to the state of black America now who have been conditioned by the welfare state that basically started in the 60s if I have my history right. Candace Owens has the more accurate telling of what Democrat conditioning has done for Black Americans. If we can acknowledge that Democrat conditioning of Black Americans have resulted in their current state in that relatively short amount of time, consider that the countries under colonial rule were under those conditions for hundreds of years, some even three hundred years. Tell me that that amount of time and influence of exploitation isn't going to affect a people's collective psyche.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.


That bad behavior was not unilateral.



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Those colonialists were bad enough in their actual behavior, no need to make up stuff to manufacture outrage.


That bad behavior was not unilateral.


At what number would you consider it a fair characterization that will still explain the negative effects? 49%, 40%, 30%, or 20%?

When we talk about the "elites" pulling the strings behind climate change, the WHO, WEF, etc. Do we find it necessary to specify "the bad behavior of the elites are not unilateral?"



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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Missionaries killing potential converts seems counter-productive.
 
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I don’t think the Catholic Church really needs things made up to point out how horrible they are, all things considered.

You mean awful things like teaching natives to farm, and to read and write? Or starting hospitals to provide free healthcare to the poor?


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