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What If Everybody Sucks At Everything

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August 15, 2018, 08:00 AM
JALLEN
What If Everybody Sucks At Everything
Townhall.com
Ben Shapiro

This week, President Trump went on a Twitter rampage -- rightly so -- over the firing of FBI agent Peter Strzok. Strzok, you'll recall, is the agent who was tasked with overseeing both the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the Russian election-interference investigation. The married agent was texting with his married paramour, Lisa Page, at the time -- and among their sexy texts was a bevy concerning their hatred for then-candidate Donald Trump. The Department of Justice inspector general report condemned Strzok's behavior, stating that it was "not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even more seriously, implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate's electoral prospect."

The only mystery is why Strzok's firing took so long.

Now, the common theory growing on the right is that Strzok, along with his like-minded allies in our nation's intelligence agencies, crafted a plot to stop the Trump campaign or oust Trump after his election. They cite Strzok's texts as evidence of motive, which it clearly is. They also cite the relationship between Fusion GPS, the opposition-research firm hired by Hillary Clinton, and Department of Justice employee Bruce Ohr, whose wife worked for Fusion GPS; the use of the so-called Steele dossier, funded by Fusion GPS, in the application for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page; and the fact that Strzok maintained his employment with the FBI until now.

None of these accusations should be taken lightly. But there's another explanation that bears up under weight: Everybody sucks at everything. So, yes, Strzok was biased. But it's just possible that the FBI initiated the Russian election-interference investigation in good faith, and that the investigation went nowhere because the evidence never appeared -- and because most investigations pursue empty leads on a routine basis. It's possible that Strzok is a grandstanding moron with a penchant for grandiosity, particularly when texting his mistress. It's possible that former FBI Director James Comey was radically incompetent at his job.

Which is more likely: that a massive conspiracy took place at the top levels of the FBI and the DOJ to "get Trump" -- and that the most damning evidence of Russian collusion, the Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian government-backed lawyer, didn't emerge until months after the election due to intricate planning? Or that bureaucrats are generally awful at their jobs?

The comfortable thing about conspiracy theories is that they allow us to graft logic onto chaos -- they give us a feeling of security. In the words of the Joker in "The Dark Knight," "Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plan is horrifying." But what if there is no plan? What if everybody is just bad at everything? What if the adults who run the most important institutions in the country were the children who picked their noses and put the boogers under the desks in school?

Strzok should have been fired. We should check out all allegations of corruption in government. But our first instinct should usually be to attribute malign acts in government to incompetence rather than malice, because that's usually more accurate.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
August 15, 2018, 08:11 AM
chellim1
I vote for both a conspiracy AND incompetence!



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

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August 15, 2018, 08:15 AM
18DAI
While I cannot argue against incompetence in government, in this case I am sticking with a conspiracy.

Walks like a duck, Occams Razor ect. Regards 18DAI


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August 15, 2018, 08:17 AM
Sig2340
By definition if everyone sucks at everything, everyone is good at sucking, therefore everyone can't suck at everything.





Nice is overrated

"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
August 15, 2018, 08:18 AM
JALLEN
It’s not as easy to pull off a conspiracy as it looks, Ben!

There is always something you can’t foresee. Real life is not like the movies. For one thing, there is no “take 2!”

Where would we be if Strzok and Page had not carried on a virtual running dialogue, and it had not been discovered?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
August 15, 2018, 08:23 AM
stickman428
I dont honestly see how the FBI can ever repair the breech of trust. This is big. I once held the FBI in high regard and I realize I was foolish to do so. They are a corrupt organization that should not exist any more. Fire all of em.


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August 15, 2018, 08:38 AM
signewt
quote:
The comfortable thing about conspiracy theories is that they allow us to graft logic onto chaos


quotable line here

quote:
By definition if everyone sucks at everything, everyone is good at sucking, therefore everyone can't suck at everything.


fractured premise here but agree with conclusion


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August 15, 2018, 08:39 AM
braillediver
A conspiracy doesn't have to be detailed to the minute- It's the direction.

Like Page saying the POTUS wants to be kept up to date on everything or something like that.

Too many random events involving known players focused on the same objective to be written off.


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August 15, 2018, 10:15 AM
Fenris
Conspiracy or a general agreement among leftists and bureaucrats to use illegal, unethical and violent means to maintain their grip on power.




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August 15, 2018, 10:31 AM
LtJL
I have known, and liked, some FBI Special Agents over the years. Anymore, though, their own house needs a good cleaning. There are lots of good people there, but I suspect few are very high up in the incredibly intolerant FBI power structure. Remember, Ol' Panyhose, J. Edgar, wanted a dossier on everyone for purposes of influence.
August 15, 2018, 10:36 AM
JALLEN
Incompetence is always a plausible explanation for government conduct.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
August 15, 2018, 10:36 AM
Yanert98
Conspiracy and malice are two different things.

I'm not 100% convinced in the conspiracy... but I'm close.

Am 100% convinced that both malice and incompetence are involved.

And thank God for the incompetence or we would never have know about the malice!

So in the end I'm left with the smoldering/growing suspicion that more malice exists that we just haven't been able to prove.


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August 15, 2018, 03:13 PM
46and2
Yes, Hanlon's Razor is surely true much more often than supposed conspiracies.
August 15, 2018, 03:20 PM
TSE
quote:
It's possible that Strzok is a grandstanding moron with a penchant for grandiosity, particularly when texting his mistress.


That would make more sense if his mistress had not been part of the conspiracy. Yet there she was, a participant in the witch hunt.


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August 15, 2018, 03:45 PM
RichardC
quote:
"But our first instinct should usually be to attribute malign acts in government to incompetence rather than malice, because that's usually more accurate."


Horse shit.


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August 15, 2018, 03:53 PM
bobtheelf
What if it's a conspiracy, but it has failed because they're terrible at what they do?
August 15, 2018, 04:57 PM
rburg
quote:
Originally posted by bobtheelf:
because they're terrible at what they do?


They sure get paid handsomely and haul in a great pension for their messed up performance. Like most in government.


Unhappy ammo seeker
August 16, 2018, 05:31 PM
LtJL
Who watches the Watchers?
August 16, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sig2340
quote:
Originally posted by LtJL:
Who watches the Watchers?


The Watcher Watchers, of course.





Nice is overrated

"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
August 16, 2018, 05:39 PM
Bulldog7972
quote:
Originally posted by stickman428:
I dont honestly see how the FBI can ever repair the breech of trust. This is big. I once held the FBI in high regard and I realize I was foolish to do so. They are a corrupt organization that should not exist any more. Fire all of em.


Does that include the street level FBI agent that had nothing to do with any of this but works hard everyday and is an asset to the Bureau and the citizens of this country?