“MOSCOW (AP) — An airplane belonging to flagship Russian carrier Aeroflot landed in Moscow covered in flames and with smoke billowing from the rear Sunday, and officials said one person died and at least four were injured.

Harrowing video aired by Russian news channel Rossiya-24 showed passengers leaping from the front of the burning aircraft onto an inflatable slide and staggering across tarmac and grass after the emergency landing at Sheremetyevo Airport.

The plane, a Sukhoi SSJ-100 regional jet, had taken off for the northern city of Murmansk but returned when a fire broke out, Russian news agencies cited sources as saying. There reportedly were 78 people aboard…”

https://apnews.com/3e3f988400cf41b29d7d03190813e76f

It's at least 13 dead is what I read and more unaccounted for.

Last time I flew Aeroflot into that airport was the most harrowing flight of my life. The plane was a piece of junk, as most of the seats weren't even properly screwed down.

Glad I wasn't on this flight. Aeroflot is a death trap. I will never fly with them again.

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I'm sure Russian aircraft maintenance isn't very good. Too many generations of "no one gives a shit" Commie rule.

The SSJ-100 is a fairly new airplane, madien flight in 2008.

This pilot did a good job flying the plane. I feel bad for those people in the chickens and pigs section of airplane though. Geez. That's a lot of fire.

How about all the people exiting the airplane with their carry on bags! You've got to think that caused a delay for some that maybe didn't make it.

Now it's something like 41 killed. Must've been awful on that plane.

Where was the fire dept when they landed?

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Originally posted by pbramlett:

This pilot did a good job flying the plane.

I'm not so sure about that. It's reported that the flight turned back due to a fire, and then held over the airport for 45 minutes.

A fire can double in size every sixty seconds, and generally one had better be on the ground in fifteen minutes regardless.

Some reports have the fire initiating after landing or as the result of a hard landing; in either case, whether a delay or a landing hard enough to cause this kind of problem, this appears to be a crew induced problem.

Video now shows a pilot-induced oscillation following a bounced landing, a nosegear strike, and the pilot does exactly what shouldn't be done; shoves the nose over.

It's possible that a control problem may. have occurred, but the video of the pilot bouncing the landing and pushing the nose over indicates plenty of control authority.

--The fire was created by the crew driving the aircraft into the ground during a bad bounced landing recovery.

Very slow crash rescue response.

Russia...not surprising.

I watched the video and was shocked at the number of crash victims that were carrying or dragging their carry on items. Grabbing those items takes time. Every person that took precious seconds to retrieve items, drag them down aisles, pause to position themselves with their belongings before getting on the escape slides, etc. probably contributed to the number of the dead. It’s why airlines tell you NOT to grab your possessions when deplaning in an emergency.

As above, Russia.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

Video now shows a pilot-induced oscillation following a bounced landing, a nosegear strike, and the pilot does exactly what shouldn't be done; shoves the nose over.

Could you dig up that video and post a URL, or was that just a report of a video? I've got some morbid curiosity and can't find any videos showing the actual approach.

The Moscow Times has a video from inside the plane as well as bouncing on landing.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
I watched the video and was shocked at the number of crash victims that were carrying or dragging their carry on items. Grabbing those items takes time. Every person that took precious seconds to retrieve items, drag them down aisles, pause to position themselves with their belongings before getting on the escape slides, etc. probably contributed to the number of the dead. It’s why airlines tell you NOT to grab your possessions when deplaning in an emergency.

I was thinking the same thing and remembered that was an issue when Asiana #214 crashed at SFO in 2013. Streams of passengers escaping WITH their luggage down the chutes

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
The Moscow Times has a video from inside the plane as well as bouncing on landing.

Yeah, that was a botched up landing. At least they held up the nose before they could break it off that second time. What I am amazed by is that a hard landing caused the fire, unless the main gear somehow buckled the wings. Very strange. Godspeed to those that didn't make it off that plane.

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I'm sure Russian aircraft maintenance isn't very good.

I've never seen a russian aircraft that didn't have cord showing on each tire.

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Originally posted by Otto Pilot:
What I am amazed by is that a hard landing caused the fire, unless the main gear somehow buckled the wings. Very strange. Godspeed to those that didn't make it off that plane.

A Russian TU-22 a few months ago, with a hard landing:

https://youtu.be/LDFldiBww_c

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I'm sure Russian aircraft maintenance isn't very good.

I've never seen a russian aircraft that didn't have cord showing on each tire.

Not really a problem.
30 years ago the requirement for KC-135’s was 12” of bald spot on main gear tires and 10” on nose wheel tires.
We checked by sliding a piece of chalk over the groove to determine the length.
Cord was likely showing before a tire was required to be changed.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Every person that took precious seconds to retrieve items, drag them down aisles, pause to position themselves with their belongings before getting on the escape slides, etc. probably contributed to the number of the dead.

No question about it. Everyone on board could easily egress that plane in about 2-3 minutes if they simply stood up and got the hell out in an orderly fashion. But no....

Happens when the plane isn't on fire as well. It routinely takes at least 15 minutes for everyone to deplane in my experience.

One more reason I no longer fly anywhere but first class on the rare occasion that I fly these days.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I'm sure Russian aircraft maintenance isn't very good.

I've never seen a russian aircraft that didn't have cord showing on each tire.

Not really a problem.

30 years ago the requirement for KC-135’s was 12” of bald spot on main gear tires and 10” on nose wheel tires.
We checked by sliding a piece of chalk over the groove to determine the length.
Cord was likely showing before a tire was required to be changed.

Actually, it is a problem.

It's possible on rare occasiosn to see cord showing; US carriers don't allow it; as soon as cord shows, the tire is replaced. The USAF has no profit to make; it only takes and consumes, so it doesn't have to concern itself with whether the expensive tire has been destroyed for retread purposes, so yes, the standard is different.

On Russian aircraft, it's common to find all the tires showing cord. A lot of cord. The point is that russian standards of maintenance, flight operations, training, air traffic control, runway maintenance, traffic separation, and safety in general are far, FAR removed from what people might expect over here. In fact, there's a lot over there that most here would find hard to believe, that's accepted as the norm.

Wonder if this had anything to do with it https://blog.wandr.me/2016/12/...ssj100-tail-problem/

Reporting down here is poor at it's best. Lots of dissinformed speculation is what they feed the general population leaving more questions than answers.
Never mentioned the plane circling the airport, quite a crucial detail...

I wonder if the pilot dumped the fuel before attempting a crash landing or if he tried to bring down the plane fully loaded.

Any guesses and useful education?

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