On my patrol beat was an off set intersection with a 4 way stop. The eastern side of the intersection had a 2 foot thick, 5 foot high reinforced concrete wall that protected a cemetery. The wall was painted bright reflective white.
The number of people who ran into this wall at high speed amazed me. And the crashes were late at night and often fatal. Skidmarks? None to be seen.
Then I went to an advanced crash investigation training course. The instructor said that many single vehicle, single occupant crashes into easily avoidable fixed objects should be investigated not as traffic accidents, but as suicide attempts. The suicidal person had the mindset that there would be no stigma of suicide attached to a traffic "accident". And there was the possibility of an insurance payout for surviving family members.
When I saw the details of the Heche crash, the training course info came to mind. Could Heche have been under the influence of something that caused her to lose control and crash unintentionally? Maybe. But it appears to me to be an intentional act. She is (or was) an actress. And she wrote in a book that her 18 year old brother died in a similar crash and she felt it was suicide. This may well have been her final public performance.

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Lost and not found
She was one confused chick
One tortured soul

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Whatever the instinct, what separates humans from animals is our actions are always a choice. What I meant by lifestyle was that many times troubled people have chaotic lives which combined with same sex attraction might yield her childless. Seems she has two children to mourn her gruesome loss.

Whatever her faults, I wouldn't want anyone to die the way she did. It took first responders nearly an hour to extricate Heche from her vehicle as it and the home she drove into burned. All that time, she was being burned externally as well as inhaling super-heated gases that burned her throat and lungs. She was fully conscious according to witnesses and was capable of communicating with those attempting to assist her. It doesn't take a lot to figure out why she was placed in a medically induced comma during her few days in the hospital, before her passing.

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Whatever her faults, I wouldn't want anyone to die the way she did.

Of course not. That had to be horrible. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Yeah, I hear people say that a lot. Some of them actually mean it, too.

Speaking for myself, if I started reeling off names of people I'd like to see pushed into an active volcano, no telling how many pages it would go.

I gotta agree with Para on this one. Saying I wouldn’t wish that on anyone is trite. How about this which I can say honestly? I’m glad she didn’t do any more damage than she did while under a drug induced self serving binge. I wish these fucking idiots would take their drugs and then pilot their way out to sea in a canoe. Maybe they make it back and maybe they don’t. Wgaf though at the end of the day?

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I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Eh, sure I would. Satan deserves to be cooked in the lake of fire and brimstone forever and ever.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Eh, sure I would. Satan deserves to be cooked in the lake of fire and brimstone forever and ever.

. We could start with Putin.

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Speaking for myself, if I started reeling off names of people I'd like to see pushed into an active volcano, no telling how many pages it would go.

Sounds like it would be the longest thread in the history of SF.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Speaking for myself, if I started reeling off names of people I'd like to see pushed into an active volcano, no telling how many pages it would go.

Sounds like it would be the longest thread in the history of SF.

Given that there are approx. over 100,000 people who die each day on Earth, and say that maybe half led honest, good lives, while the other half...maybe not so much. And out of that, a percentage were dirtbags. So I guess the line to the diving board into the volcano would be a long one...

Heche ended her own life while risking peril onto others, creating havoc and destruction. She could have done the volcano jump, shit, maybe twice.

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She could have done the volcano jump, shit, maybe twice.

Not if she did it right the first time.

It's hard to feel anything towards someone who knowingly puts others in danger.

Single vehicle accidents always have the potential to become life-ending with no fault or even connection to an unrelated victim.

It's unbelievably arrogant to think/believe that one is exempt or "special" and entitled to drive drunk or impaired. Just because you may be famous, rich or anything doesn't translate to "It's ok, I'm better than everyone else, it isn't going to happen to me".

This time, the only death was to the driver, and the damage to some cars and homes. Thats pure luck.

I've had to tell too many family members, friends, that their lives are ruined forever.

And i wonder whether her organs were harvested and donated due to the manner of death.

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And I wonder whether her organs were harvested and donated due to the manner of death.

I certainly wouldn't want any of her life-long, drug-soaked organs.

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Originally posted by pulicords:
Whatever her faults, I wouldn't want anyone to die the way she did. It took first responders nearly an hour to extricate Heche from her vehicle as it and the home she drove into burned. All that time, she was being burned externally as well as inhaling super-heated gases that burned her throat and lungs. She was fully conscious according to witnesses and was capable of communicating with those attempting to assist her. It doesn't take a lot to figure out why she was placed in a medically induced comma during her few days in the hospital, before her passing.

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Details Emerge About Anne Heche's Rescue From Fiery Crash

By
Dani Medina
Sep 3, 2022

Anne Heche was trapped in her burning car for nearly an hour after crashing into a home earlier this month, new audio from this he Los Angeles Fire Department reveals.

The audio files, obtained by NBC Los Angeles, show firefighters were unable to get access to her car for at least 20 minutes. It took another 20 minutes to get the car out of the burning building to rescue the I Know What You Did Last Summer actress. LAFD staff said it took 30 minutes to fight the fire at the home before a rescue could be made.

Firefighters first responded to the scene in Mar Vista at 11:01 a.m. on August 5. "There is a person inside the vehicle," a dispatcher is heard saying. Fire officials treated the woman they found at the scene — but it has now made clear that the woman was the resident of the home, not the driver of the car. Seventeen minutes later, firefighters said, "We do have no patients at this time." At 11:22 a.m. they radioed, "Let me clear this up, so, you do have a patient in the car?" Three minutes later a firefighter said, "We have identified one patient, inaccessible at this time, he’s pushed up against the floorboard."

That patient was later identified as Heche. She was found collapsed below the front seats of her car. "I will say that that where the person was in the vehicle was not in the driver's seat, but on the floorboard of the passenger seat," LAPD Deputy Chief Richard Fields told NBC Los Angeles.

Firefighters were able to tow the car out of the home. Heche was pulled out of her car at 11:49 a.m. "We have one patient in the auto, being assessed, about to be loaded up on the gurney for transport," a firefighter is heard saying.

Heche was first taken to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center before being transported for specialized care at the Grossman Burn Center at West Hills Hospital. She died a week later. The Los Angeles Fire Department says even if Heche was found in the car earlier, "it's unlikely firefighters would have responded differently."

"I would imagine, just based on some of the very experienced officers that were initiating the firefight, that they made the best effort they could to try to identify that someone was in the vehicle. Our firefighters were doing everything," Fields said.

The coroner's office's investigation has not been finalized, but her cause of death was ruled as smoke inhalation and thermal injuries as a result of burns sustained in the crash.