Can You Guess the Biggest Gunmaker in the U.S.?

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"The problem with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan

March 06, 2017, 02:37 PM

darkest2000

If the lists includes government/military sales, I'll bet that list would change...

March 06, 2017, 02:53 PM

straightshooter01

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
quote:
Originally posted by Replacement Tommel:
I think using NICs to determine who the "biggest gunmaker in the U.S." is is a flawed way to do it as it only measures civilian sales.

*sigh*

I give up.

That's funny!!!

March 06, 2017, 07:32 PM

Steve 22X

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
quote:
Originally posted by Replacement Tommel:
I think using NICs to determine who the "biggest gunmaker in the U.S." is is a flawed way to do it as it only measures civilian sales.

*sigh*

I give up.

It isn't you, since you are actually are "fighting the good fight" and are absolutely correct IF one 'deduces' what they used for data.
It is just that this is a poorly written piece.

Writing 101 simplified (also good for speech making)
One should clearly:
1) Tell them what your gonna tell them
2) Tell them
3) Tell them what you told them

March 06, 2017, 11:31 PM

jimb888

I'm shocked Colt isn't on there towards the top. Henry is #7? Maverick #5?

(Jesters summation -thanks)
1. Ruger
2. S&W
3. Remington
4. Sig
5. Maverick
6. Savage
7. Henry
8. WM Anderson(?)
9. Glock

March 07, 2017, 06:47 AM

RogueJSK

quote:
Originally posted by jimb888:
I'm shocked Colt isn't on there towards the top.

In 2015, Colt reported producing 65,417 pistols, 1,492 revolvers, 79,565 rifles, and 0 shotguns. That's only 146,204 total firearms.

Glock made nearly 2x as many pistols as all the guns Colt produced that year. Anderson made 2x as many AR receivers as all the guns Colt made. S&W made 10x as many guns as Colt. Ruger made 11x as many guns as Colt.

Even though the ATF's data doesn't include military sales, that inclusion wouldn't have helped Colt. Colt hasn't had a contract with the military since 2012.

Colt also went bankrupt in 2015.

March 07, 2017, 07:33 AM

CD228

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
quote:
Originally posted by jimb888:
I'm shocked Colt isn't on there towards the top.

In 2015, Colt reported producing 65,417 pistols, 1,492 revolvers, 79,565 rifles, and 0 shotguns. That's only 146,204 total firearms.

Glock made nearly 2x as many pistols as all the guns Colt produced that year. Anderson made 2x as many AR receivers as all the guns Colt made. S&W made 10x as many guns as Colt. Ruger made 11x as many guns as Colt.

Even though the ATF's data doesn't include military sales, that inclusion wouldn't have helped Colt. Colt hasn't had a contract with the military since 2012.

Colt also went bankrupt in 2015.

Actually, after Remington lost the M4 contract, FN and Colt both got contracts or part of the same contract in 2015. they also received a contract to make M240s in 2009, and then in 2012 they shared the M240L contract with FN.

March 07, 2017, 07:52 AM

RogueJSK

I was under the impression that FN got the entire M4 contract after Remington lost it in 2013ish. But you're right. It does look like FN and Colt got a joint M4 contract in late 2015. (Perhaps a separate one?)

However, we don't know how many rifles under that contract were actually produced by Colt in 2015.

And it doesn't matter for these purposes anyway, as the ATF's data doesn't track military sales. Only LE and commercial production.

March 07, 2017, 09:13 AM

CD228

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
I was under the impression that FN got the entire M4 contract after Remington lost it in 2013ish. But you're right. It does look like FN and Colt got a joint M4 contract in late 2015. (Perhaps a separate one?)

However, we don't know how many rifles under that contract were actually produced by Colt in 2015.

And it doesn't matter for these purposes anyway, as the ATF's data doesn't track military sales. Only LE and commercial production.

Yup, because DOD doesn't do a NICS check.

I kid, I kid.

March 07, 2017, 01:50 PM

jimmy123x

I would've never guessed Ruger would be #1, but in the past 5 years they've really expanded in pocket carry guns, 1911's and other stuff they didn't venture into before.

S+W was my guess.