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Originally posted by kidcop:

Pregnancy isn't infectious, nor a public health hazard. Pretty simple. Failing to get inoculated leads to one becoming a vector for the transmission of disease, thus becoming a public health hazard. Again, pretty simple.

But apparently not simple enough for some.

You're being intellectually dishonest. I seem to recall coming to this conclusion in a previous thread. This appears to be your modus operandi.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by kidcop:

Pregnancy isn't infectious, nor a public health hazard. Pretty simple. Failing to get inoculated leads to one becoming a vector for the transmission of disease, thus becoming a public health hazard. Again, pretty simple.

But apparently not simple enough for some.

You're being intellectually dishonest. I seem to recall coming to this conclusion in a previous thread. This appears to be your modus operandi.

No, I'm not.

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Pregnancy isn't infectious, nor a public health hazard. Pretty simple. Failing to get inoculated leads to one becoming a vector for the transmission of disease, thus becoming a public health hazard. Again, pretty simple.

But apparently not simple enough for some.

Sorry, but you present a generalized statement as an ironclad fact: “Failing to get inoculated leads one becoming a vector [carrier] for the transmission of disease...” It is becoming clear that while the shot may well reduce both the likelihood of an individual becoming a carrier and ameliorate symptoms (both positives for sure) it is by no means a guarantee; you seem to present it as such. Note the relatively small but increasing number of fully inoculated individuals who are now test COVID positive post-shot. Would they not be a “public health hazard” as well? For your statement to be true (“...leads one to becoming a vector...”) everyone who is not inoculated will become a carrier. Everyone? Sorry, but that is just a claim with no potential for verification.

Perhaps I’m a simpleton, but it does appear that the point you’ve made above is more than a bit muddled. It seems that you are placing in your rebuttal an individual pregnancy on the one hand vs the public health hazard of COVID on the other. This leaves me scratching my thick head. Of course the statement “My body, my choice” is not a statement in support of pregnancy, but a rallying cry in support of abortion as an individual right without conditions; and by extension a “right” that belongs to a group. Further, it’s an exercised “right” that has terminated the lives of 60 million individuals in the US alone. Even ideas can metastasize themselves into things that are a hazard to public health. The number of abortions might be sufficient to reach the threshold of a public health hazard; at least for the babies.

In looking through my eyes it appears quite clear that we have individuals in charge of institutions that trumpet the cause of individualism and freedom of action until such action collides with their fears or their cloistered value system (rational or not). Then, privacy and individual liberty are out the window.


Silent

Disappointed to see my Alma mater on the list. Delighted to not see Montana even mentioned. Wonder what effect CA’s jackbooted insanity might have on my daughter’s (currently a HS junior) plan to go to college in CA…

Nuremberg Code

–“Permissible Medical Experiments.” Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg October 1946 – April 1949, Washington. U.S. Government Printing Office (n.d.), vol. 2., pp. 181-182.

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

I'm looking for that part of the USC wherein the law is you cannot make people participate in medical experiments which unapproved drugs certainly are.

Title 4

R4-18-802. Informed Consent and Duty to Follow Protocols

A. A physician, medical student engaged in an approved clinical training program, preceptee, or intern who conducts research involving an experimental procedure, medication, or device, shall ensure that all research subjects give informed consent to participate, which states:

1. Whether a physician, preceptee, or an intern is treating the patient;

2. That the patient or legal guardian of the patient understands:

a. The type of treatment the patient is to receive;

b. Each procedure that will be provided to the patient;

c. The risks and benefits of each procedure, medication, or device to be provided;

d. That the patient can withdraw at any time; and

e. That the patient is voluntarily participating; and

3. The physician, medical student engaged in the approved clinical training program, preceptee, or intern has established a protocol as required by subsection (B) that meets the requirements of the institutional review board that approved the protocol.

B. A physician, medical student engaged in an approved clinical training program, preceptee, or intern, who conducts research on humans involving an experimental procedure, medication, or device shall have a protocol for that research approved by an institutional review board.


There are no long-term studies on these vaccines as yet. How does one give informed consent without knowing the long-term effects?

While I think the jury is still very much still out on the whole COVID mess from data morbidity and mortality and now vaccine and potentially effects,
I do recall multiple vaccine requirements going into college in the 1980’s. For me it was pretty simple having been vaccinated in the military prior to college,not to mention I was in a medical program that had more stringent requirements than typical college attendance.
However, until some solid long term studies on risk and benefit can be published, the COVID vaccine is too much of a shot in the dark for comfort.

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Originally posted by ChuckWall:

There are no long-term studies on these vaccines as yet. How does one give informed consent without knowing the long-term effects?

The document I received prior to injection is six pages long and clearly states that the vaccine is being used under the EUA, not full approval. It lists the known risks and goes on to say that there may be others that have not been discovered in clinical trials.

I’ve stated several times that I’m not in favor of vaccine mandates, but equating this to Nuremberg worthy death camp experiments is pretty far fetched.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Looks like every SUNY campus on there, if not every university and college in New York state. Cute.

The same SUNY schools with pedestrian right of way signs all over campus. Basically teaching and even encouraging the "children" (that's what they are because that's what they act like) to walk out in front of moving traffic without even looking, which happens hundreds to thousands of times a day on campus. Anecdotal sure, but I don't know of any students who died from covid, but I know of at least three killed stepping in front of cars.

Some short memories. This is hardly the only one you have been required to take.

https://vaccines.procon.org/st...school-kindergarten/

Just to state the obvious, we're talking about an experimental treatment/vaccine that has Emergency Use Authorization ONLY! You simply cannot compare it to the typical 'proven' long standing vaccines that almost everyone gets as a prerequisite to attending school. There have been NO long term studies to determine any long term, and potentially dangerous side affects!

Seriously, just look at the groups excluded from the initial trials of this vaccine:

Anyone who is COVID recovered
Anyone suspected to be COVID recovered
Anyone with COVID anti-bodies
Anyone woman who is pregnant
Anyone woman of childbearing potential
Anyone 65 and over
Anyone under 18

That's a SIGNIFICANT part of the population and nobody pushing the concept of mandatory vaccination or 'vaccine passports' makes ANY mention of those groups, or ANY exceptions to their agenda driven mandate whatsoever!

Further, re: whether the Nuremburg Code applies here, it doesn't need to occur in a 'death camp' in order for it to be unacceptable coercion, and a violation of the Nuremburg Code.

From the Nuremburg Code:

"This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision."

Preventing anyone from being able to fully participate in society without being discriminated against, to get an education, to be gainfully employed, etc, sure sounds like 'over-reaching, or other ulterior form of coercion' to me! This is especially true if you're in one of the groups excluded from the vaccine trials due to concerns re: safety/efficacy!

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Some short memories. This is hardly the only one you have been required to take.

https://vaccines.procon.org/st...school-kindergarten/

Big difference here though... those are all FDC certified and accepted. The COVID-19 vaccines are NOT FDA certified, and are being used under an Emergency Use Authorization.

FDA certified? Add it to the list. Until it's FDA certified, it should NOT be REQUIRED by anyone.

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Just to state the obvious, we're talking about an experimental treatment/vaccine that has Emergency Use Authorization ONLY! You simply cannot compare it to the typical 'proven' long standing vaccines that almost everyone gets as a prerequisite to attending school. There have been NO long term studies to determine any long term, and potentially dangerous side affects!

Not only that... but a clear spike in dangerous side affects!

Jean Marc Benoit MD
@JeanmarcBenoit
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Apr 1
Deaths in Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), since its start in 1990.

2021 is off the charts



Why Are Media Ignoring Data Showing Massive COVID-19 Vaccine Death Spike?
By John Cleer

If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago. Usually a new drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA has a strict approval process. The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619 serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in user-friendly format here). The flu vaccines by comparison are linked to 20–30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and those 20–30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.

Dr. Fauci is Finally Unmasked

Dr. McCullough estimated the flu shot at 195 million people annually, while 153 million have currently received COVID vaccinations. The disparity between these two vaccine groups is staggering.

Instead of treating this data seriously, institutions like the NIH are pushing to fast-track FDA approval and give the vaccines to younger and younger children. Regulators lowered the minimum age for the Pfizer vaccine from 16 to 12 on Monday, and shots for that age group could begin as soon as Thursday. Pfizer is currently experimenting on 144 young children in three age brackets: 5 to 11 years, 2 to 4 years, and six months to 2 years. The results will be available in September. The vaccine is already mandatory at many colleges (and only for students), and you can bet they'll make it a precondition for your little ones to continue attending school.

How long until it isn't optional, for you or your children?

Thirty-five hundred reports is 70 times the normal threshold for pulling a drug from the market. Although this is raw data, previous VAERS studies have shown that only 1–10% of vaccine-related deaths are reported to VAERS — or less. This would put the likely real death count in the U.S. at tens to hundreds of thousands.

Inexplicably, Dr. Fauci was able to look at those data and say, "obviously the safety looks really, really good in well over 140 million people having been vaccinated." How can he look at the VAERS data in good faith and say the safety looks good?

The updated number of published death reports as of April 30 is 3,837. That's 300 reports in a week, and those are just the reports: per the studies that show that VAERS underreports deaths, we're on pace for an estimated half a million COVID vaccine deaths by the end of the month. It's remarkable that the press isn't covering this.

They are indeed doing the opposite, insisting that VAERS data are meaningless. They say VAERS reports are unverified, which is always true with raw data, and anyone can make them, so we don't know that 3,544 deaths have happened.

What they leave out is the correlation between death reports and deaths has already been studied, and one report on VAERS correlates with 10–100 deaths. They also leave out the sheer volume of reports. What they don't leave out is their customary appeal to authority: listen to the doctors.

Dr. McCullough is vice chief of medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and the most cited American medical doctor on COVID-19 at the National Library of Medicine. He dedicated his career to COVID when the pandemic began, focusing on outpatient treatment, on which he testified to Congress early in the pandemic. He says the death reports come from medical professionals, and the CDC's investigation into them could only have been falsified.

Having "chaired and participated in dozens of safety monitoring boards and sat on those committees," Dr. McCullough refutes the CDC's March announcement that there were no vaccine-related deaths: "It is impossible for unnamed regulatory doctors without any experience with COVID-19 to opine that none of the deaths were related to the vaccine" in so short a period of time. It would take "many months" to complete an investigation.

Meanwhile, more people would die. This may be why a drug is taken off the market after excessive death reports, before investigating or proving causation.

The CDC has collected VAERS data for 31 years, and while anyone can make a VAERS report, the database is intended to compile data from health care workers, who in turn are required by law to file reports for a long list of vaccines — COVID vaccines not included.

There's absolutely no history of massive VAERS fraud, and if the media want to suggest that, they should say it directly and provide evidence. Anyone filing a false VAERS report is committing a federal crime.

Their point that VAERS reports are meant to generate further studies to contextualize them is true. In the CDC's words, "VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events[.] ... If a safety signal is found, further studies can be done."

The COVID vaccines are adding a year's worth of VAERS reports every week. In four months, they've had more adverse reports than any single vaccine has had cumulatively over the past 31 years. This is clearly a safety signal, further studies are not being done, and it appears they're being forged.

Tucker Carlson covered some of Dr. McCullough's findings recently, and, not surprisingly, he was ridiculed for it. He responded:

That very same [VAERS] system has been used for a long time. What was interesting is what the numbers showed consistently across decades, as a relative measure, one vaccine comparing to another. More deaths have been connected to the new COVID vaccines over the past four months than to all previous vaccines combined over a period of more than 15 years.

Mystifyingly, the Washington Post accused Carlson of "using reports submitted to VAERS to suggest that something worrisome is happening," as if large death and serious illness counts are not worrisome.

Dr. McCullough notes that the Post is part of the "Trusted News Initiative," an agreement between Silicon Valley and news outlets to censor any news or data critical of COVID vaccines since that could make people hesitate to get vaccinated. Early on, they set the public curriculum to isolate, mask, and wait for the vaccine, and treatment meanwhile has been discouraged and stigmatized. Stigmatizing treatment and burying safety data are so counter-intuitive and pervasive at this point that the motives must be questioned. Are they getting us sick on purpose to sell vaccines?

It appears either that the bureaucracy is trying to hammer through FDA approval or that the arrangements have been made and they're conditioning the public to accept it. There's a reason that it normally takes ten years for a vaccine to hit the market: long-term testing.

Skipping the Phase III trials, getting these results and not just ignoring them, but testing the product on children and infants, in my view, shows criminal intent.

These reports must be studied and the vaccines taken off the market until completion. Instead, we are seeing the product of a system that, as Dr. McCullough says, has gone off the rails.

https://www.americanthinker.co...ine_death_spike.html

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Originally posted by cas:
The same SUNY schools with pedestrian right of way signs all over campus. Basically teaching and even encouraging the "children" (that's what they are because that's what they act like) to walk out in front of moving traffic...

Jesus. I haven’t set foot on a SUNY campus since about 2006, but that somehow doesn’t surprise me.

I set foot every day for the last 29 years.

Or as I call it, "The stupid factory".