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Hitler's biggest mistake was not invading England......AFTER capturing British troops stranded at Dunkirk. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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How ironic. As of 2018, California and several other territories-to-be-reclaimed are increasingly disarmed, and occupied by non-English speaking invaders and collaborators. ____________________ | |||
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Just think of Hitler as the prototype SJW: Full of awesome ideas about how to make the world a better place (kill the Jews! Take over Russia!); kind to animals (anti-vivisectionist—for dogs, not for people), vegetarian... And no one you want in charge of anything important. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Non smoker, too. That hours long meeting with Chamberlain, a chain smoker, must have been interesting. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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Yeah, but it's fun. I played a lot of Red Alert as a kid. 
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Bombing a couple of cities along our coast line would have been disastrous for those cities, no question. Would the USA have then blindly submitted to demands to surrender? I do not believe so. Americans would have been so outraged that they would never consider surrender. And given that, there are/were 1000s of miles of nothing but open range countryside just how could Germany ever hope to actually invade and occupy America? How many 1000s of Americans were armed and knew how to use those weapons? Millions? As one Japanese general/admiral is supposed to have said, "A rifle behind every blade of grass!" Pretty much the same situation applies to today. At least 60 million gun owners here, with somewhere between 400-600 million weapons. If even half of that 60 million are considered to be competent, that means a resistance force of 30 million shooters and each well armed and competent. Any nation would have to be insane to seriously consider such an objective. Especially when it would seem to be easier to simply continue the destruction by way of politics as espoused by the left in this country. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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I seem to recall that Germany's failure to actually invade England was more a political issue of Hitler. Read somewhere, long ago, that he actually wanted to be "friends" with England. England was not at all well prepared to stand off such an invasion. Did we not send a lot of privately owned weapons to England as well as Russia? Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Totally agree with your comments. I do in fact believe that scenario would have been more likely. But I don't think it would be a stretch to think they could have occupied the bigger cities and the rest of the country would be more like a guerilla war. Another reason I am a firm believer in the 2A! Hundreds of millions of guns among the general citizens. Clearly the Japanese understood that in the 40's. | |||
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We (and the rest of the world) are fortunate that Germany and Japan never allied with one another and shared technological advances. | |||
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But they did to some extent toward the end of the war. There are reports of German subs intercepted in the Pacific that were transporting technology to Japan. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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^^^ Not just reports. They found the "milk cow" with all the tech and technicians the Japanese needed on the bottom of the sea floor.
I would argue that you could take these two ideas a step further. When we fought the Brits, the Brits could destroy or seize just about any American city they wanted to. We disappeared back into the vaaaaast countryside and cut them off from food or forage. Japan never really had that much space, and I would argue that Germany never really did either. Could Hitler have delivered enough nukes to make the entire country glow, or would we have been able to regroup in the "empty" spaces, mixed topography and multiple sources of both water and arable land in which North America abounds? Hell, it took ages, a lot of dead Americans and Kit Carson to get the Navajo when they holed up in their final redoubt in the Canyon de Chelly - and that was just a small little patch of America. | |||
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He initially wanted to 'reach an agreement' where he could have free reign on the continent. But once Chamberlain was out and Churchill was in, he knew that wasn't going to go anywhere. But he didn't even task his military with preparing a plan for invasion of the British Isles until after he'd gotten the French to surrender. It was then that his navy basically told him there was no way they could either facilitate or sufficiently support a landing. They would need about ten times the number of ships they had. As well as the fact they didn't have any significant quantity of ships that could be used for an amphibious landing or even transport supplies to keep a ground army going for any length of time. The Royal Navy would have swatted the invasion out of the channel before it gathered steam. Hitler invading England was a pipe dream. Hitler invading the US or Canada is just a fantasy. _______________________ “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?” Sen. Rand Paul | |||
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If the Germans had won the race to development of nuclear weapons they might have forced a surrender, but they would have never occupied the country. The Japanese knew it would have been pointless to invade. The Germans would have figured it out quickly. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Being of German extraction, and having lived in Germany and Central Europe for part of my life, it pains me a bit to say this. But I think the evidence bears me out: German technology tends to be over-engineered. Case in point: the two most expensive automobile brands to own and operate today are BMW and Mercedes-Benz.  A friend of mine has a BMW 535. In order to change a headlight, half the front-end assembly has to be removed. During WWII, German technology was far ahead of political and economic realities. Great engines of war ground to a standstill for lack of oil. The Messerschmitt 262, the world's first jet airplane fighter, was delayed from its inception in the 1930s until 1945, by at which time the war was all but over. As formidable as the Germans might be, it seems they always get caught up in their own technology snares. You can't truly call yourself "peaceful" unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of great violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless. NRA Benefactor/Patriot Member | |||
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I can't find a video of it, but Louis Ramey has a hilarious joke about how if someone invaded the South there would be nothing but beer cans and shotgun shells with bunch of rednecks saying "you missed all the fun!"  | |||
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Part of Hitler's problem was his need to retain power in Germany, so many portions of the government / military command structure were confusing and inefficient, to ensure that it would be difficult / impossible for someone to gain enough power to easily threaten him. This of course affected efficient conduct of the war and prioritization of equipment / R&D / etc. Yes it would have been long odds for Hitler to take America, but if he had knocked out Great Britain and had an efficient nuke program, who knows how things would have ended up. | |||
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Having a few cities instantly vaporized can be rather demoralizing. Prior to H&N, the Japanese had intended on fighting to the death. They didn't know that we only had the two nukes. In their culture surrender was unthinkable, yet surrender they did. Full occupation of the US by Germans would have been impracticable, but following the sudden loss of several major cities, I'm sure they could have found willing American collaborators as they actually did with Petain and Vichy France. This is more or less the scenario followed in Man in the High Castle. God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Deep into Hanson’s “Second World Wars”, as I think I mentioned. The Germans had lots of great technology and it sucked up money they should have spent on producing standard tanks and planes, not V-2’s, ME-262’s, and HE 177’s. The US had an enormously larger economy, vastly larger production facilities, and the best minds in atomic research. We could only produce 2-3 A-bombs; and we had the B-29 to deliver them. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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half the population of this country today would welcome them with open arms [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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