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John Kerry met with Iranian official to try to save nuke deal
May 04, 2018, 09:31 PM
VBVAGUYJohn Kerry met with Iranian official to try to save nuke deal
I believe that Kerry's action is against the Logan's Act. I am pretty sure he did not have any authorization from Trump. If you or I did this, we would be charged. God Bless
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, changing the penalty for violation from "fined $5,000" to "fined under this title"; this appears to be the only amendment to the Act.[2] Violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Only two people have ever been indicted on charges of violating the Act,[3] one in 1802 and the other in 1852.[4] Neither was convicted of violating the Act.[4]
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May 04, 2018, 09:40 PM
Il CattivoOh, go on. Kerry's an old man, let's go ahead and give him the chance to claim that he was at least first at
something.
May 04, 2018, 10:07 PM
ScoutmasterSidenote on Kerry. Didn't he buy a $7 Million yacht, custom built in New Zealand, and docked it in RI, to save $500K in Mass taxes?
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a1abdjI know many have a short memory, but it was barely a year ago that the left was accusing Donald Trump Jr. of violating the Logan Act when he met with the Russian lawyer. Like I have said over and over again, whenever the left is throwing out accusations, they are neck deep themselves.
May 05, 2018, 04:39 AM
mbinkyquote:
Like I have said over and over again, whenever the left is throwing out accusations, they are neck deep themselves.
That is an absolute truism. And nothing will happen to Kerry. He operates with the full power and consent of the swamp. And he will be shielded by their enforcement arm, the DOJ/FBI.
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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Sidenote on Kerry. Didn't he buy a $7 Million yacht, custom built in New Zealand, and docked it in RI, to save $500K in Mass taxes?
Yes he did
May 05, 2018, 07:29 AM
220-9erProbably coaching the Iranians on how to get the best deal.
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May 05, 2018, 07:56 AM
kimber1911Boston Globe has an article on Kerry negotiations with the Iranians, and they state that it is not a violation of the Logan Act.
So I guess it is settled law.
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“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 May 05, 2018, 08:21 AM
asoniequote:
Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
I believe that Kerry's action is against the Logan's Act. I am pretty sure he did not have any authorization from Trump. If you or I did this, we would be charged. God Bless
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, changing the penalty for violation from "fined $5,000" to "fined under this title"; this appears to be the only amendment to the Act.[2] Violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Only two people have ever been indicted on charges of violating the Act,[3] one in 1802 and the other in 1852.[4] Neither was convicted of violating the Act.[4]
I was just going to say that. Seems like it wasn’t so long ago the left was crying about the Logan act say, late 2016. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Trump’s tenure still has a way to go.
May 05, 2018, 09:40 AM
NK402I heard he offered them 5 years of free ketchup.
May 05, 2018, 09:45 AM
GustoferI heard Dershowitz talking about this this morning.
Apparently the Logan Act is considered "dead letter" (had to look it up). In other words, it will never be enforced, John Kerry or not. If it were not "dead letter", he would definitely be guilty.
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May 05, 2018, 10:04 AM
braillediverquote:
Kerry’s shadow diplomacy therefore toughened Tehran’s hard line and its the conviction that Trump in his weakened political position at home would not risk pulling the US out of the nuclear accord.
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May 05, 2018, 10:05 AM
JALLENHow does anyone know what Kerry is talking about with this guy? He has no negotiating posture, no power to actually accomplish anything. He may explain some of it as he understood it, remind the Iranians what provisions mean, etc.
As I understand it, negotiations are over with. The deal is signed, although not ratified by the Senate as our law requires. As it is, it is merely an understanding between the President and someone else. Kery thinks everything he does is rife with world changing ramifications, but he has never been as important as he thinks he is. Even his mom didn’t think he was that important!
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
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jimmy123xquote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Sidenote on Kerry. Didn't he buy a $7 Million yacht, custom built in New Zealand, and docked it in RI, to save $500K in Mass taxes?
Yes, it was foreign flagged, which is very common. Everyone tries to save on taxes. But he also cheated on his wife with a mistress while she was dieing of cancer.....
May 05, 2018, 10:14 AM
TSEquote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
I heard Dershowitz talking about this this morning.
Apparently the Logan Act is considered "dead letter" (had to look it up). In other words, it will never be enforced, John Kerry or not. If it were not "dead letter", he would definitely be guilty.
Perhaps we could crowd source a "dossier"?
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May 05, 2018, 10:14 AM
kimber1911The deal here is the hypocrisy of the Democrats.
Let's go back to a previous ABC News article from Feb. 2017.
Link Even though Flynn is out, Democrats and critics are calling for investigations and question whether he violated the Logan Act, a law dating back to 1799, which prohibits unauthorized individuals from communicating with foreign governments.
House Democrats on the Oversight and Government Reform committee Monday sent a letter to chairman Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, asking him to reconsider launching an investigation into Flynn and his ties to Russia.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
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“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 May 05, 2018, 10:21 AM
ersatzknarfthe treason trials and executions cannot begin soon enough.
May 05, 2018, 10:59 AM
ensigmaticquote:
Originally posted by jimmy123x:
quote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Sidenote on Kerry. Didn't he buy a $7 Million yacht, custom built in New Zealand, and docked it in RI, to save $500K in Mass taxes?
Yes, it was foreign flagged, which is very common. Everyone tries to save on taxes. But he also cheated on his wife with a mistress while she was dieing of cancer.....
That was John Edwards.
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May 05, 2018, 11:46 AM
stoic-onequote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
He didn't have any more medals to throw over the wall, he really misses being Vice President, and as Vice President the Iran deal represents...well, his legacy. It ain't like he's gonna have a shot at the White House anytime soon.
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