Brilliantly played by the Ranger School LTC. Day 1 recycle making him quit like the poser he is. Calling his bluff, and yet, he could have decided to change...

Make no mistake, he could have made it through Ranger School no sweat, just from being prior 2nd Batt. Being enlisted in the Ranger BNs is kinda like being in Ranger School all the time. This guy isn't weak, just messed up in the head.

The military has gotten lax unfortunately, it is sad someone can make it that far being that insubordinate though.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
That photostat of the DA 2823 says it all, but HOW IN THE HELL was he allowed to graduate much less get commissioned? Is the USMA cadre that much infiltrated with “Politically-Correct Fifth Columnists” inserted by Odumbo’s Administration?

It was, after all, obummer's presidency that allowed him into the Point, and then allowed/encouraged him to stay there.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Wow. How in God's name did this punk ever make it through West Point? Had anyone in my class at the Academy acted in any manner like that for so long, he or she would never have survived. I'm stunned to be perfectly frank.

Bigger question for me is, how in hell did he ever get accepted in the first place? Seems to me that essentially the whole staff at the Point had to know about this asshole. Were they all so scared of obummer that they violated their oaths?

What happened to the honor code at the point?

Did that get scrapped by obummer and his minions, too"

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Originally posted by Strambo:
. . .Being enlisted in the Ranger BNs is kinda like being in Ranger School all the time. . .

No.

It's not.

Clearly, it's a bit more challenging than life in many other units. But nobody in the ranger battalions lives for weeks at a time on a thousand calories a day, nor do they go without sleep for weeks at a time.

It is also not true to imply that nobody sent to Ranger School from the ranger battalions washes out. Some wash out in every class, whether it be from lack of heart or just pure bad luck, it happens.

The nine-week intensity of Ranger School is far more demanding than the day-to-day garrison life in the battalions.

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:

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Originally posted by Strambo:
. . .Being enlisted in the Ranger BNs is kinda like being in Ranger School all the time. . .

No.

It's not.

Clearly, it's a bit more challenging than life in many other units. But nobody in the ranger battalions lives for weeks at a time on a thousand calories a day, nor do they go without sleep for weeks at a time.

It is also not true to imply that nobody sent to Ranger School from the ranger battalions washes out. Some wash out in every class, whether it be from lack of heart or just pure bad luck, it happens.

The nine-week intensity of Ranger School is far more demanding than the day-to-day garrison life in the battalions.

Back when I was at Harmony Church in C-10-2 training for my 11B10, we encountered a group of rangers one day who (as I understood it) were still in Ranger school. One ofthem was sitting off a few steps from us, and I followed his eyes to a fat cricket on the ground. He snatched that sucker up and ate it in a nanosecond! Never forgot how skinny and gaunt they all looked.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
Back when I was at Harmony Church in C-10-2 training for my 11B10, we encountered a group of rangers one day who (as I understood it) were still in Ranger school. One ofthem was sitting off a few steps from us, and I followed his eyes to a fat cricket on the ground. He snatched that sucker up and ate it in a nanosecond! Never forgot how skinny and gaunt they all looked.

When were you at Benning? I was A-7-1 and graduated 03Feb83.

Trying to dodge his service and responsibility?

Most Americans don't understand the true tenets of Communism, what Americans are spoon fed is the Socio Economic blather... nothing about the "dictatorship of the proletariat" and the expected exterminaion of the "ruling class"

If you are for Communism, you support executions of whole classes of individuals... and who decides? The proles?

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Originally posted by BillyBonesNY:
Trying to dodge his service and responsibility?

Most Americans don't understand the true tenets of Communism, what Americans are spoon fed is the Socio Economic blather... nothing about the "dictatorship of the proletariat" and the expected exterminaion of the "ruling class"

If you are for Communism, you support executions of whole classes of individuals... and who decides? The proles?

All those ruling classes like doctors and teachers. Just ask Pol Pot.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

Reading through the Sworn Statement, I did not envision LTC Heffington as a strong leader.

Why in the world would he have continued his discussion with CDT Rapone for so long with the disrespect which was been shown?

Seems to me that LTC Heffington failed in his duties, as CDT Rapone was allowed to continue, and Graduate from West Point.

Yeah, this was my first thought. A loud argument was going on, and his reaction was to IGNORE it? And it took 40 mins before he engaged. He failed his duty, IMO.

So to re-cap, Asshat made through West Point in spite of a written statement about asshat's statements, insubordination, and political views from a LTC who was an instructor.......Nothing was done.

Asshat goes to the Ranger Course and only makes it to Phase 2/Mountain when (quote from article posted above): "His apparent blatant disrespect to multiple senior NCOs" gets his commie punk ass in trouble.

And the lesson learned is: Never Ever Be An Asshole With a Senior NCO.....especially when they are your instructor.

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:

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Originally posted by Strambo:
. . .Being enlisted in the Ranger BNs is kinda like being in Ranger School all the time. . .

No.

It's not.

Clearly, it's a bit more challenging than life in many other units. But nobody in the ranger battalions lives for weeks at a time on a thousand calories a day, nor do they go without sleep for weeks at a time.

It is also not true to imply that nobody sent to Ranger School from the ranger battalions washes out. Some wash out in every class, whether it be from lack of heart or just pure bad luck, it happens.

The nine-week intensity of Ranger School is far more demanding than the day-to-day garrison life in the battalions.

Well, I guess we agree to disagree. I did say "kinda."

My career path followed this guy's minus USMA and the commie insubordination. I started out enlisted in 2nd RGR BN, then ROTC, got commissioned, IOBC and Ranger School.

Nobody really knew I was a 2LT in Ranger School, they thought I was a "Batt Boy" until they read my name on the roster for leadership positions and I could see the RIs do a double take.

I've done way harder training missions in the RGR BN (and in leg IN units) than anything in Ranger School, they just ended sooner. We were always getting yelled at and smoked and the standards were high.

Ranger School was like a medium level of suck for 9 weeks. Line IN units are a low level of suck always, punctuated by really (really) high levels of it in short bursts.

I don't know the graduation rate for those from the 75th....but I bet it is really high, like 90%.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

And the lesson learned is: Never Ever Be An Asshole With a Senior NCO...

wishful thinking he would run headfirst into some senior NCO's, if the story is true...he did exactly that.

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Originally posted by alteon180e:

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

And the lesson learned is: Never Ever Be An Asshole With a Senior NCO...

wishful thinking he would run headfirst into some senior NCO's, if the story is true...he did exactly that.

I predicted this scenario several pages ago. The Army is still full of good and ethical professional soldiers, regardless of the rare PC senior 'leaders' and whoever might be president.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by alteon180e:

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

And the lesson learned is: Never Ever Be An Asshole With a Senior NCO...

wishful thinking he would run headfirst into some senior NCO's, if the story is true...he did exactly that.

I predicted this scenario several pages ago. The Army is still full of good and ethical professional soldiers, regardless of the rare PC senior 'leaders' and whoever might be president.

Yep, even Colonels and Generals know those senior NCOs are what keeps the military going....and even they don't piss them off without a damn good reason.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Wow. How in God's name did this punk ever make it through West Point? Had anyone in my class at the Academy acted in any manner like that for so long, he or she would never have survived. I'm stunned to be perfectly frank.

Bigger question for me is, how in hell did he ever get accepted in the first place? Seems to me that essentially the whole staff at the Point had to know about this asshole. Were they all so scared of obummer that they violated their oaths?

What happened to the honor code at the point?

Did that get scrapped by obummer and his minions, too"

Showed the LTC's statement to my Dad, USMA class of '57 - his comment was "That's not the same Point that I attended...I'd have been walking the area for the next 6 months, if I wasn't dismissed outright."

Strambo,

Is it true at RS they will intentionally fuck with you by asking if you’d be willing to recycle to day 1 in order to test your desire to earn the tab even though you have met the course standards for passing?

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

Reading through the Sworn Statement, I did not envision LTC Heffington as a strong leader.

Why in the world would he have continued his discussion with CDT Rapone for so long with the disrespect which was been shown?

Seems to me that LTC Heffington failed in his duties, as CDT Rapone was allowed to continue, and Graduate from West Point.

Yeah, this was my first thought. A loud argument was going on, and his reaction was to IGNORE it? And it took 40 mins before he engaged. He failed his duty, IMO.

I've never been in the service, but isn't there a strong predisposition to never let a problem get lodged in your colon unit? I'm wondering if the LTC didn't decide that graduating Rapone meant that (1) the LTC had "succeeded" in his duty to process every cadet through and (2) Rapone, upon graduation, would immediately become someone else's problem, embarrassment, or both.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Strambo,

Is it true at RS they will intentionally fuck with you by asking if you’d be willing to recycle to day 1 in order to test your desire to earn the tab even though you have met the course standards for passing?

I've never heard of that, I went straight through, passed each phase without recycle. Nobody ever mentioned anything like that to me and I never heard of it happening to someone else.

I could see if you failed a phase, them intending to give you a recycle of that phase, but first saying they are considering a Day 1 to see how you react. I wouldn't put that past 'em. It's all a big mind game anyway.

90% mental, 50% physical, 20% luck. I realize the percentages don't add up! Subjectively, that is how making it into the 75th and through RS felt to me. Mostly just don't quit.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

Reading through the Sworn Statement, I did not envision LTC Heffington as a strong leader.

Why in the world would he have continued his discussion with CDT Rapone for so long with the disrespect which was been shown?

Seems to me that LTC Heffington failed in his duties, as CDT Rapone was allowed to continue, and Graduate from West Point.

Yeah, this was my first thought. A loud argument was going on, and his reaction was to IGNORE it? And it took 40 mins before he engaged. He failed his duty, IMO.

I've never been in the service, but isn't there a strong predisposition to never let a problem get lodged in your colon unit? I'm wondering if the LTC didn't decide that graduating Rapone meant that (1) the LTC had "succeeded" in his duty to process every cadet through and (2) Rapone, upon graduation, would immediately become someone else's problem, embarrassment, or both.

"Graduating" Rapone wouldn't have been up to a random cadre LTC. I'm sure he did all he could, but an O5 at West Point is just a cog in the wheel. The failure is higher up, the leadership at USMA clearly didn't take action on this clown. Now they (and the Army) are paying a price.

Hopefully, this will also result in mediocre cadets also being given more scrutiny going forward.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
I've never been in the service, but isn't there a strong predisposition to never let a problem get lodged in your colon unit? I'm wondering if the LTC didn't decide that graduating Rapone meant that (1) the LTC had "succeeded" in his duty to process every cadet through and (2) Rapone, upon graduation, would immediately become someone else's problem, embarrassment, or both.

I believe this to be correct.

Officers are graded with an OER, an Officer Evaluation Report, which is typically done annually.

You have a rater who rates your current performance and a senior rater, typically your boss's boss, who rates your potential. It's the senior rater comments and more specifically how he quantifies you compared to peers that will get you checked in certain boxes.

There are a lot of officers who know how to game the system in order to gain "top block" checks.

One way the senior rater can make or break you is by saying "rated number one of 30 company commanders I senior rate"

I'm not sure if that LTC was in the chain of that cadet, he might not have been in his chain and therefore couldn't have had the right to administer action against him.

Maybe the kid was protected politically, daddy is someone, etc...

But the evaluation system is heavily reliant on quantitative data such as:

o trained 120,000 Soldiers last year in small arms marksmanship

o raised average company PT score by 25 points

o accounted for $4,000,000 of government property with zero loss or damage

o graduated 100% of cadets who attained an average grade point average of 3.79

You get the point.