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Originally posted by OttoSig:

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
One of the things glossed over is that the new contractor CANNOT provide services to Catholics.

So they are incapable of fulfilling their contract terms, which is interesting…

If you’re familiar with military chaplains then you would know that a given unit, which may or may not be big enough for a chaplain, will have access to a chaplain, but said chaplain may be one of a number of denominations. Being provided a catholic priest is not in the terms of service, having access to a chaplain is.

So this story does not read right to my active duty eyes.

All these tolerant Catholics aren’t up in arms that service members practicing Judaism don’t have access to a Rabbi in most locations.

Of course, in any given unit, that is the case. However, I’d expect at WRMC to have the appropriate chaplains for each denomination, as it serves an astronomical number of individuals, many of them near end-of-life.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
One of the things glossed over is that the new contractor CANNOT provide services to Catholics.

So they are incapable of fulfilling their contract terms, which is interesting…

If you’re familiar with military chaplains then you would know that a given unit, which may or may not be big enough for a chaplain, will have access to a chaplain, but said chaplain may be one of a number of denominations. Being provided a catholic priest is not in the terms of service, having access to a chaplain is.

So this story does not read right to my active duty eyes.

All these tolerant Catholics aren’t up in arms that service members practicing Judaism don’t have access to a Rabbi in most locations.

Of course, in any given unit, that is the case. However, I’d expect at WRMC to have the appropriate chaplains for each denomination, as it serves an astronomical number of individuals, many of them near end-of-life.

Expecting something might be where you're failing, not an insult but just the reality of the matter.

We're struggling to man all positions, the fact that a catholic priest isnt available aint on my worry meter.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Bendable didn’t deserve that. It’s a valid question.

If you believe that was an innocent question, I've got a bridge to sell you. Bendable knew exactly what he was doing when he posted that and it had nothing to do with the OP topic.

And if you honestly believe that the federal government targeting Catholics is a figment of the imagination or purely coincidental, I'm sure I could scare up another bridge to sell you.

They are arresting and charging innocent pro-life Catholics with federal crimes for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, they are targeting traditional Catholics and labeling them terrorists, they are infiltrating and planting spies in Catholic parishes, and now they are depriving injured Catholic service members the sacraments that can only be given by ordained Catholic priests. These are just the things we know about. Nope...nothing to see here. Just move along.

You over estimate my . . . . .
Whatever you want to call it.

I asked the question to find out if the appalling criminal behaviour by members of the church had any repercussions.

That's it that's all.

Name a single thread that I started or joined where I intentionally tried to derail anyone or any subject.

You are new here take a year and find me that thread.

I was done, till you started back on me.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Bendable didn’t deserve that. It’s a valid question.

If you believe that was an innocent question, I've got a bridge to sell you. Bendable knew exactly what he was doing when he posted that and it had nothing to do with the OP topic.

And if you honestly believe that the federal government targeting Catholics is a figment of the imagination or purely coincidental, I'm sure I could scare up another bridge to sell you.

They are arresting and charging innocent pro-life Catholics with federal crimes for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, they are targeting traditional Catholics and labeling them terrorists, they are infiltrating and planting spies in Catholic parishes, and now they are depriving injured Catholic service members the sacraments that can only be given by ordained Catholic priests. These are just the things we know about. Nope...nothing to see here. Just move along.

Stop whining, all those priests that raped little boys, go whine to them...until then stfu condemning bendable for bringing up a valid point.

Not once have you said you acknowledge your brethren doing unspeakable things...youre only pushing your worries...would you ignore the same for Muslim extremist?

In combat you arent guaranteed a catholic priest, you get the fucking chaplain you get. Stop fucking being ignorant, youre no more important than any other religion or any other human being. In fact, youre acting like an entitled POS.

Cut it out

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

All these tolerant Catholics aren’t up in arms that service members practicing Judaism don’t have access to a Rabbi in most locations.

Back around 1956, I was laid up in a Navy hospital with pneumonia / pleurisy. A Rabbi stopped by to se me; he was not a Navy chaplain. The hospital chaplain (Protestant) had taken it upon himself to reach out to a local synagogue and request a visit for me.

V, it’s all about communication isn’t it?

Here’s the rub, if we are talking about Jewish vs Catholic availability at WRMC:

The last known data is from 2006, with 1,372,669 active duty US military. Of those, Jews comprised 3,973.

That means that Jews represent 0.29% of the active military. In the case of Walter Reed, if the percentage of treated patients lines up with the active duty percentage, that means if the 1 million+ patients treated yearly, there would be 2900 Jewish patients. Of course, most patients do not need religious assistance, so let’s put the number at 5% - that’s 145 patients that may need assistance, or one every 2 days. A local rabbi could easily handle that volume, but it might be advisable to have another rabbi on call that could assist if the first is not available.

Now, switching to Catholics, who are more than 25% of the active military; using our same 5% metric, that’s 12,500 out of 250,000 needing religious care, or 35 a day…

But I go back to the fact that this is already CONTRACTED, I.e. they are paying a vendor to come in. OttoSig has mentioned the difficulties of active duty chaplaincy, but this is different: you are paying someone to come in and provide this service.

The new vendor cannot serve at least 25% of the customer base. Doesn’t sound like they are fulfilling the contract. I can understand reducing the Catholic contract if they had excess resources allocated, but elimination just reeks of targeted anti-religious action.