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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
People who allow children to use hormone blockers are plain and simple child abusers and should be imprisoned. Children don't know who they are, they're figuring it out while their body and brain grow and change. The idea that there are kooks out there damaging young kids is deeply disturbing.

In addition, it usually renders the children sterile. While many of these children when they grow up may never want to have children, many will.

Imagine a young adult who finds out they can never have children of their own because when in kindergarten they played with the wrong toy and so were put on hormone blockers.

Now imagine it was your child and the "decision" was made by your crazy ex, without your knowledge nor consent.

The same people who get upset about circumcision, think nothing of chemically castrating children. In fact, they celebrate it.

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If i split my tongue, have my body tattooed like a reptile and change my name to Camilio because I "now" think I am a lizard I would expect to be deemed an idiot and treated like one.

That's cold blooded!


I also believe it's a mental illness, and just like all others with mental illnesses, I will still treat them with respect until such time that I shouldn't.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
I also believe it's a mental illness, and just like all others with mental illnesses, I will still treat them with respect until such time that I shouldn't.

I will just avoid them.

flashguy

I am not going to paint mental illness with the broad brush that many deem this type of behavior to be.
Surely in some cases yes. But in many more no. People get sucked in to many things. And a lot of people are just suckers in general. Are loners just looking in the wrong places to be accepted, etc. I understand there are a million and one different circumstances. This guy with kids thinks he is a woman now is just silly. Again, just mho.
I am pretty sure many choices these individuals make are done by folks having no more mental illness than you or I.

I’m with airsoft guy on this. I wouldn’t give 2 shits if a colleague of mine did that so long as:

1. They were still respectful to me.
2. It didn’t affect me or my job in a negative way.

Other than these, none of my business.

Frankly, more than a few folks here are being assholes about it. People should stop looking down their noses at people making choices that have no affect on them, personally. Completely ostracizing such a person is just childish and would actually take effort.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
If an adult wants to be a different gender and live quietly, just exist, then they should be able to do so.

If they aim to be an attention whore, and capitalize on their status, they can fuck right off.

The real danger when it comes to transgender is the people who are doing it to their kids. That is where I draw the line. I don't mean letting a boy wear a dress or any of that.

People who allow children to use hormone blockers are plain and simple child abusers and should be imprisoned. Children don't know who they are, they're figuring it out while their body and brain grow and change. The idea that there are kooks out there damaging young kids is deeply disturbing.

I know some will not agree as now that it has been "normalized" but to me the same thing goes for homosexuality.
The whole trans thing is just an extension of pushing the agenda-envelope.

I agree that they should be allowed to do whatever they want (as adults) - no problem in that.
It is between them and God - none of my business.

The real problem is that so many won't let you civilly disagree for whatever reason.
Now you are a homo-phobe - trans-phobe - whatever-phobe.

When it comes to your children it is equally wrong to push the LGBTQXYZ agenda on them.
We are breeding the SJW animals in our children when we don't teach right vs wrong (such as: man vs woman).
Doesn't mean we should teach disrespect or a non-peaceful coexistence but until they are adults then we owe it to them to at least give them the facts.
When they are then out on their own - let them make up their own mind.

YMMV

I have a Niece that is now my Nephew ...

I have not seen her/him in 20 years.

I do know that she was a very loving little girl who was a Tom boy. Played on the boys Baseball teams etc. As far as I know he did have a double mastectomy but I don't know about the other parts...

He is now in an interracial marriage to another trans from male to female. Interesting situation for sure.

This went down in my most conservative christian brothers family. He told me she was contemplating suicide before the sex change.

To this day I still don't know how I feel about it.

Thank you smschulz, very well said. It is funny you posted that and it happened to be right below fev' post.

Very telling.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
He says he got diagnosed with what used to be called Asperger’s about a year ago. This is also a surprise. He appears to be very articulate and intelligent, and in fact performs on stage.

Asperger's is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD). A form of "functional autism" if you will. People with mild ASD are often quite intelligent and articulate. Often more so than the average bear.

They do tend to focus. Hard. To the exclusion of all else. Poor people skills--at least in youth. What comes natural to most people has to be learned by these people. And, even then, a conscious effort needs to be made to employ the learned social behaviour. Asperger people are often averse to change, though, when something catches their interest they'll be off like a shot and there's no dissuading them. They can become quite... "anxious" if frustrated in realizing their new interest.

The "Sheldon Cooper" character in The Big Bang Theory is an excellent example.

I have a cousin with a daughter that has become a man. The mother was a mentally ill drug addict her entire life so the transition wasn’t as much a surprise as it may have been otherwise. I was there for my aunt’s funeral early this year. I chose not to interact with the fruit loop and they afforded me the same courtesy. They can do what they want as long as they don’t push that bullshit on me.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Here, today, as we speak, I know four transgender people who have been successfully obscure. Normal trans people, do not wish attention.

It is disappointing that people who believe they are "enlightening" us or "furthering the agenda" need to ruin it for folks who just want to disappear.


The idea that being trans is mental illness, I can't quibble with that. Perhaps it is. The problem with that idea, is the perception that mental illness is uncommon.

Someone who is transgender, just wants to live their life quietly, not unlike you or I. Until they are a political activist and can be used as a pawn in identity politics.

Frankly, I view trans people the same way I view socialists, muslims, or christians. You do you, and leave me alone, and I will afford you the same courtesy.

Politically/socially tortured and twisted souls who can't ever dodge the mirror that sees more deeply.

This is something I do not understand. I am not condemning it, I just do not understand it.

Back in the late 90's, the small town I live in, had one gas station, where everyone went to get their car fixed..

The owner shared a story with me one day.


The owner and one of the mechanics had just finished working on a car, when the guy came to pick it up. The guy was a CPD officer. He told the owner that someone new would start bringing his car in for service. He told the owner and the mechanic that he expected the person bringing his car in, would be treated with respect. Ken (the owner of the station) and Willie (the mechanic) said "of course we will treat the person bringing in the car with respect.

The guy then produced a picture of the person who would be bringing in the car for service. Willie looked at the pic and then at the guy, then back at the pic. He then said "that's you mother fucker, with a wig and makeup" .

This person was making the transition that week.

I always chuckle when I remember that story. Not out of disrespect, but at Willie's sincere reaction to the situation.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
I’m with airsoft guy on this. I wouldn’t give 2 shits if a colleague of mine did that so long as:

1. They were still respectful to me.
2. It didn’t affect me or my job in a negative way.

Other than these, none of my business.

Frankly, more than a few folks here are being assholes about it. People should stop looking down their noses at people making choices that have no affect on them, personally. Completely ostracizing such a person is just childish and would actually take effort.

Like I stated earlier I worked with two homosexual women for years with no issue. They did their job just like I did and nobody cared (well actually a few guys liked one of them since she wa actually bi). One was older and her and her partner raised a daughter. Being and older lady everyone referred to her as “ma” as in Ma Kettle. She was actually a motherly figure but she never pushed any agenda, she was just a decent person and god worker.

But we had a guy that decided he was a she. Other than being one ugly woman, most didn’t care (well, except when it came to the restroom, neither male nor females wanted “her” in theirs - this was about 20 years ago before this became more mainstream. “She” got a porta potty). What if you were told you could be fired for calling them he when they wanted to be a she? And I am not meaning doing it on purpose either, when you work with someone For any length of time it becomes habitual to call them that. At that point it affects me.

Now my real question about this topic. I am slightly south of the half century mark but I feel like I am 70 and identify as that. My body definitely identifies as that of a 70 year old and has many similarities. How do I go about getting 100% of my social security benefits now?

I used to be more like Arc and ASG on this issue. Then I found out my super fucked up father who used to terrorize and beat the shit out of me until I left home is "transitioning" at age 66.

Mental illness. Sorry. I have close insight into what leads people down this path. They're broken, fucked up people. The guy who hates women thinks he's a woman? The guy who pointed a rifle at my chest when I was seven years old to teach me what a man is now wants to be a woman? The guy who picked me up by my throat and threw me across a room and broke my shoulder when I was nine, to show me how tough he was, wants to cut off his man parts and prance around the house in panties, painting his nails and shaving his legs, wear makeup and thinks that makes him a woman? The man who was supposed to teach me to be a man always wanted to be a woman? What am I supposed to do with that? Nah. Sorry. Broken.

And no, it does not, will never have contact with its grandson and this is just the fucking Maraschino cherry on top of the shit sundae of reasons "why." My poor mother is showing all the signs of battered wife syndrome, and is torn between divorce and waiting for it to kill itself. My son is denied the grandfather he should, by rights, have - but someone wants to live their "true life" in secret, not leaving the house because small town, instead of being grandpa. Selfish, broken, fucked up. A shit situation. So there's my thoughts on the notion that it's fine for older people with established families to go ahead and transition "once the kids are out of the house," as if it doesn't still tear families apart, actually having experience with that very thing.

You can go be gay or bi or diddle goats, I don't give a shit. If you think you were born with the wrong parts and every cell in your body has an XX or XY chromosome, don't expect me to call you the opposite of what you are. I'm not going to entertain your delusion. No hate here, but I'm simply not going to play the game with the rules set by mentally ill people.

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Originally posted by PR64:
.... He told me she was contemplating suicide before the sex change...

She/he needs your prayer. Their attempted suicide rate is around 40%, or almost 10 times the national average. There's data out there that suggests the attempted suicide rate doesn't drop after the surgery. Like plastic surgery addicts with body dysmorphic disorder, the physical change doesn't fix the real problem.



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I thought about posting a Dave Chapelle Trans bit, however, this article helped me to understand a little better.

Transgenderism: A Pathogenic Meme
JUNE 10, 2015 BY PAUL MCHUGH
The idea that one’s sex is a feeling, not a fact, has permeated our culture and is leaving casualties in its wake. Gender dysphoria should be treated with psychotherapy, not surgery.

So I guess he won’t be playing “skins” in the weekly guys basketball game?

There are several homosexuals (both kinds) in my church choir. They do not call attention to it and are quite affable. I give them the same respect I would to anyone else, but they are not in my circle of friends--they're just "acquaintances". We see each other at church, and all is well.

flashguy

Charlotte is full of weirdos ....
I was in a meeting where there was a gal that wanted to be a man, a man that wanted to be a gal.
They sat opposite sides of the room and tried to act inconspicuous ....
you could tell they were uncomfortable....

Oh well, ive got 30yrs of life left at the most ...somebody else's problem.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
If an adult wants to be a different gender and live quietly, just exist, then they should be able to do so.

If they aim to be an attention whore, and capitalize on their status, they can fuck right off.

The real danger when it comes to transgender is the people who are doing it to their kids. That is where I draw the line. I don't mean letting a boy wear a dress or any of that.

People who allow children to use hormone blockers are plain and simple child abusers and should be imprisoned. Children don't know who they are, they're figuring it out while their body and brain grow and change. The idea that there are kooks out there damaging young kids is deeply disturbing.

I disagree... When a person has a family, whether they choose to realize it or not, the rest of the family members will pay a price. Word gets out, kids at school will be all over their children like ducks on the proverbial June bug. His wife will obviously have issues (hence the need for counseling). Sure, they're "happy" and "supportive", but it will take it's toll. I see this as the action of a typically selfish individual with little regard for their obligation as a father and spiritual leader for his family.

In recent years, it has become common for people to condemn others for being "judgmental" i.e.. "You shouldn't judge people for their choices." etc. But in fact social norms and "judgement" serve as a benchmark to prevent deviancy. Decades ago, this sort of thing generally wasn't accepted in society, now self identification is commonplace. Today pedophiles are scorned and persecuted (and rightly so) tomorrow they will be demanding their equal rights... And they'll get them too.

I used to think the US and the western world was in the midst of a moral decline, but now I have come to believe it's more of a moral free fall.