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How is the blade steel ~ 420HC I believe. Pro and Cons? | |||
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Well, didn't study metallurgy, but it's high quality, sharp, will draw blood easily... The steel is solid, and the machine work is very good. | |||
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IMO, 420hc is an ok stainless… not even in the same league as say S30V, but it is an ok budget steel. You’ll need to work at keeping it sharp. (2-3x more often than say S30V) I personally like pure carbon steel because I like how the edge forms; much sharper. Although people could argue the utility of wanting stainless for EDC, I much prefer plain carbon steel. Not that hard to take care of - truly. My current primary blade is made of M4 carbon steel which is amazingly sharp and long; has a Rockwell C hardness fairly high (~64) for a knife, but I understand the trade-offs w/ toughness/brittleness. I also carry the S30v folder and finally one big knife made of D2 (which is a tool steel); I figures for prying myself out of the tin can someday if needed. My .02 pesos "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Thank You - good info 
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Well, what the heck, 90 days to Christmas! I just ordered one of the Justin Case M-4 Tenasis. It may actually arrive before a back-ordered item does. Looks as beefy as my ESEE 4. This thread is as addicting as "You Will Buy A Glock". | |||
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Knife Informer...Guide to the Best Blade Steels Considered Lower-Mid Range Steel 420HC - EDGE RETENTION: 3, CORROSION RESISTANCE: 8, EASE OF SHARPENING: 9, Generally considered the king of the 420 steels, 420HC is similar to 420 steel but with increased levels of carbon (HC stands for High Carbon) which makes the steel harder. Still considered a lower-mid range steel but the more competent manufacturers (e.g. Buck) can really bring out the best in this affordable steel using quality heat treatments. That results in better edge retention and resistance to corrosion. In fact, this is one of the most corrosion resistant steels out there, despite it’s low cost. You’ll find it mostly on budget blades (< $50) and multi-tools. ---------- “Nobody can ever take your integrity away from you. Only you can give up your integrity.” H. Norman Schwarzkopf | |||
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Cripes this thread has cost me a mint. A few ESEE knives and few buck’s like 891 and a new 105 pro and now I just bought the Justin Case m2 and m4 they are on sale right now. I do wish the m4 had a metal piece at the bottom of handle as a glass breaker but that’s just a nit pick. For my knife money, I only buy US made. either big companies like Buck or Spyderco (their US models only) or small boutique makers like our own Dozier/Liontribe. So we’ll see how Justin Case performs. Since I moved to Florida I ‘had’ to get a good salt water knife for my tackle box so I found a spyderco Waterway made of LC200N steel the hottest newest corrosion free metal. May need to buy one of their folders in this steel. | |||
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Well, this sucks; my JC Tact. M-4 was supposedly delivered this afternoon in my mailbox (which is locked by the carrier). It's not in there, nor at my door. Second item in a few months of a tactical nature that's disappeared. Best hope is the carrier put it in a neighbor's box who is honest.... ETA: I also got an e-mail from the vendor who said my Ontario M-3 should arrive tomorrow at their warehouse. It's now been bumped back to end of November. Yet another edit as of 5:45 p.m. Sept. 30; we had someone else working my mail route yesterday. The carrier put the M-4 in someone else's box; regular carrier caught it today and the knife is here. Quite nice, I may have to get another.This message has been edited. Last edited by: rat2306, | |||
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Oh, thank goodness it arrived safely! Have gone and ordered an M-4 from Dave  Yes, on sale... sheesh, might end up getting the M-2, as well  Got a Bear & Son auto coming from SMKW, too, as well as gun stuff from a couple of places... Prolly ruint my allowance  pent up demand! | |||
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^^Good thing the folks who have that mailbox don't check their mail daily, or were out of town. I'm considering an M-2 vice another M-4; should be a little handier for hunting, or car camping. I wear a Medium-Large glove; the M-4's scales length, width, and contour are a perfect fit for me. ETA; just ordered an M-2. Early birthday present to me.This message has been edited. Last edited by: rat2306, | |||
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Good news! Thanks for the feedback, too Please do post up, *when* you get the M-2 | |||
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I bought both Justin Case knives. A dime under $146 delivered for both is more than fair. The m2 has a scosh small handle for my taste but I have big paws with fat fingers and like a longer handle. I had to buy the extended grips for my ESEE3 and4 and the ESEE 5 is a good handle length for me. Even the JCT m4 is just on the edge of a too small handle. Maybe it’s the geometry of my own grip that’s not right. But that’s my personal problem. My 13 year old son who’s already well over 200# and 5-8 found the grips perfect for his hands. Fit and finish of these 2 knives is top notch. Packaging is very nice. Grey blade coating is evenly applied. And blades are very sharp. At this price point you can’t got wrong. If I only could pick 1 I’d take the m4 but I’m not dissatisfied with either.
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The M-4 arrived, today! Such quick service  Only had a little time to have a look, but it fits my bum right paw perfectly!!! At this moment, am thinking the M-2 might be a little small for my dominant hand. It's a beautiful knife and am really looking forward to enjoying it | |||
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My M-2 Justin Case arrived today; first impression is it beats my Ontario RAT 3 (older edition of the ESEE 3) in grip ergonomics, sharpness, and the blade (subjectively) seems to be about 1/4 again the thickness of the RAT. Balance seems to be butt heavy, though that could be handy if needing to use the skull smacking end. Grip is almost too short, but no worse than the Ontario. Quite pleased! | |||
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Recon Tanto for me. Both long and normal blade length. No they are not metallurgically superior. But, for vehicles, go bags, occasional use…I can’t complain. ------- Trying to simplify my life... | |||
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M-2 arrived today! Also fits my hand well, as does the M-4. Funnily enough, they have started to include an unopened band-aid in the box... "Just in case" The M-4 is impressive and it has great size. The M-2 will be a bit easier to conceal Very very very pleased with both. Jeepers, this place sure can eat up some cheddar, but in the best possible way! | |||
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My M3 Trench Knife by Ontario arrived; quite GI looking, and the sheath looks lowest contract bid, but...it fills my hand and balances (it seems) better than a Ka-bar. Bad news; it was quite dull and I had to hit it with a whetstone, then diamond sharpener, and finally a butcher's steel to get it serviceable. In the meantime; I believe I'll get another Cold Steel SRK and Justin Case M-4, and call it quits! | |||
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Para, I carried an Applegate-Fairbairn knife for at least a decade. I had it in a book bag, that was easily retrievable, if I saw trouble, or didn’t like a situation it was always easily at the ready. 911 and metal detectors prevented me from continuing to carry a knife. There is also a diminutive boot knife that may fit your needs. The knives balance well and are lively in the hand. | |||
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Just ordered the Justin case Tenasi. One for me and one for a gift. | |||
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Just sipping some coffee on this lovely morning, perusing Sigforum and happened upon this thread. I also ordered 2 with one of them being a gift. Looking forward to seeing these knives in person. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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