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Thanks, JAllen. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Thanks BamaJeepster and JAllen. Reading the transcript of the case along with the audio recording is quite interesting. Too bad they only go back to 2010 (at least on the site) with the audio for cases. If you like religion, laws or sausage, then you shouldn't watch them being made. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Here is a view of this case from columnists at National Review Online, highly recommended. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
You do realize that you're reading a transcript of the bad guys losing, right? For all the times one might have wished for the BS to end, this is what it sounds like when the BS comes to a screeching halt. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
The audio goes back into the 1950’s. Check here. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I understand. I can't quite fathom that an atty before the Supreme Court could/would effectively claim that the 1st amendment was kosher but the 2nd amendment stinks. And that a Kaepernik shirt is kosher but a Gadsden flag stinks. And that such thinking got to SCOTUS in the first place. Maybe the remaining quesitons for the atty might be if he takes his Goebbels flavored kool-aid in regular strength or industrial strength; and if he injects it in the right arm or the left arm. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Those guys on the Court are a lot smarter than they look when you are 5’ away under the gun. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Tremendous pressure, I get that. But a lawyer can't even answer hypothetical questions (to which there is no verifiable "right" answer) neutrally? That is what was amazing, this lawyer as a if anything overkill stand in for the "reasonable" poll worker flat out said it is OK to discriminate against conservatives. Absurd, all he had to do was answer Alitos' questions equally...but then I guess that would be purjery?  I guess technically not, he doesn't know for a fact how poll workers would interpret those questions...just 90%  “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
You are not up there to answer “neutrally” but to argue your case. The judges will test you on how far you think your desired interpretation goes, to get a better idea for your theories. I don’t regard either of these two as as prepared as they might have been. They should have thought of those nooks and crannies of their position and come up with sensible answers, if there are any. That’s why appearing before these very able, experienced and intelligent judges is nerve wracking. Big Leagues! You see how this works. You claim the Constitution means this and so. The justices want to know, “ok, let’s see how your interpretation will work. What about......”. It is a hypothetical to test the lines. No perjury. Perjury is false statements under oath. Not only are these arguments not under an oath, but they are not testimony, evidence. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I get that he is there to argue his case, I'm saying he should have answered Alito's hypotheticals neutral. 1A shirt, political and banned. 2A shirt, political and banned. That would have helped his case. I appreciate the perjury info, makes sense. All the more reason he should have been smart enough to at least not appear so blantantly biased (but I'm glad he did). “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
If you are ashamed of your biases, maybe you should change them. He’s proud of them. That’s the way he believes it ought to be. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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